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IDK but maybe when everybody can acces the best ammo in the game all the time there is a little problem with how gear distribution works ?
Been running interchange a lot the past week and it's either hatchet runners going without any gear or super meta geared PMC shooting M61 all the time, there is almost no in-between in this game anymoe wich wasn't the case before (not to such extreme at least).
3rd wipe for me and by far the most boring honestly.
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That's interchange man. You're going to find way more people running m61 on the map with the scav boss who's near the biggest crossroads of the map in front of the loot store and fancy exfil hallway who will blast you into next wipe if you don't dome him with m61 while he yells at you.
Woods, same thing. Gotta one tap that shturman before he 2 taps you.
Even if they made m61 hard to come by. You'd be getting tapped by 7.62x54R. Nobody would run interchange until they HAD m61 to run "Just in case Killa" The problem isn't the ammo here it's the necessity of the speed required to drop a scav boss who lights you up so quickly.
ID: gq7ihuiID: gq7ohy3Dude killa ain't shit, i have killed him with shotguns, vpos, kedrs.... it's that if you don't drop killa within 5 seconds of his big gun going brrap you have 2-3 teams collapsing in on you.
EDIT for clarity Killa is tough, but the more pressing concern IMO is disengaging before the other killa hunters get you. Killa is an AI who acts the same way every time, people are variables, like y'all who keep downvoting me or sending angry DMs.
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M61 is quite accessible, it two-shots everything in the game, and you get sub 80 full-auto juice cannons to go with it. Running labs now, there isnt really any difference between lvl 4 armor and slicks. M61 access should be nerfed imo
ID: gq6xbhaI think pen m61 should be nerfed to maybe 54 and m993 should be the two tap ammo.
ID: gq77okdI was about to argue you, but I did some digging, and I've come to a similar conclusion. After watching a few testing videos, it looks like Class 6 armor (american NIJ IV) stops even M61 AND M993, the latter difference being stopped at ~2860 FPS from a 16" barrel and being penetrated at ~3000 FPS from a 22" barrel.
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I'm now of the belief that M61 and M993 are over performing in shorter barrels, and should generally have less penetration without the proper long barrels for higher muzzle velocity.
ID: gq7gw5jIt should be fir only and not allowed to sell on the flea market. Same with all the high pen ammo tbh
ID: gq7zu4kThis is the major issue I find with the game. The top tier ammo is way too accessible early on for everybody. Armor quickly loses its usefulness. Fights rarely last more than a few seconds. Low to mid tier ammo should be craftable/purchasable through dealers and top tier ammo should only be found in raid and should be random. The game already suffers from people only rushing the same few areas in every map. Give people a reason to use more of the big ass maps they’ve made.
ID: gq8dxl8Running labs now, there isnt really any difference between lvl 4 armor and slicks.
As it should be when you have good ammo. PVP fights should be more about aim than anything else. Not "who has the better armor" but "who plays better". Unfortunately the game still kinda rewards bad play quite heavily, but i think with aggressive play being so strong, it's starting to even out a bit.
ID: gq6zt59M61 should cost as much as Lapua ammo lol
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Well you can craft it
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never did never will, fmj sx for life
ID: gq7dqwsMp7 was always my favourite gun in the game, came back to the game after a little break and the bullet prices made me cry. Don’t have level 4 traders yet so it’s 100k for a 40 round mag and 120k for 40 ap sx 🙁
ID: gq71y3mAp*
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If you compare the Vector costs to run the subpar 7n31 ammo in appropriate numbers compared to M61 or even M855A1/M995 than M61 looks like a cheap deal.
ID: gq76jauThat, and he's running interchange. M61 is the top ammo for Killa farming because it'll one tap him, and a lot of people are Killa farming at this point in the wipe because true endgame doesn't exist.
ID: gq87xctM61 IS a cheap deal, unless you're mag dumping drums of it with a juiced sa-58. The vast majority of guns that use m61 are semi autos so ammo consumption isn't nearly as high as automatics so you use less of it.
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You’re not wrong, M61 is REALLY popular this wipe much more than other wipes.
It all comes back to Bitcoin... more Roubles are in circulation now then EVER before. This causes items like SLICK and HEX to be more common... which in turn causes people to run more High Tier Ammo!
Bitcoin —> Money —> Lvl 6 Armor —> M61
That’s my theory on it this wipe anyway... I’m in the same boat dude every mother fucker and his mom shoots me with M61 and makes my SLICK/Rys-T useless lmao
ID: gq8pihimakes me wonder how many economics papers are applicable to tarkov and if anyone HAS written an economics paper on takrov
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The biggest issue is not the ammo but the movement and people running around in heavy armor spraying full auto laser beams.
ID: gq8aferPeople always complain that these comments are like beating a dead horse, but I think it needs to be said as much as possible. This game needs inertia badly to curve the COD meta right now.
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M61 is the best scav boss round and one of the best player killing rounds so nothing really beats it on interchange, labs and reserve. M62 got nerfed into oblivion so there's not even competition for the best round.
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I've been experiencing more people running vectors than anything else. Just vector, vector, vector. All my kill feeds have been like 4x thorax ap6.3
ID: gq7pt19I'm running to saferoom exfil on interchange just killed killa wearing his kit. I see a shadow about 60m across the parking garage (I'm qbout to cross the threshold into the safe room door area from hole in the floor, he's over by under Oli). Dude goes brrap with his vector and 1 taps me with 7n31. I checked his stream and the dude literally point fired me. Doubt he's a cheater bc a p scav got him about 5 minutes later by exfil
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een running interchange a lot the past week and it's either hatchet runners going without any gear or super meta geared PMC shooting M61 all the time
The funniest thing it's most likely the same people.
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When everyone has unlimited access to unlimited amount of best ammo, why should they run cheap useless ammo?
It's absolutely logical.
Although it seems BSG doesn't give a duck. All it takes is to remove crafting M995, 7n31, M61, etc, remove it from loot tables, and make it trader only.
Or another option - make ammo price the same as IRL. One M995 costs 120$
ID: gq7z78yAll it takes is to remove crafting M995, 7n31, M61, etc, remove it from loot tables, and make it trader only.
Uh no, making it trader only would only lengthen the gap between new and old players. Best way to do it is to make it super rare FiR only, that way anyone thats actually playing the game and not camping traders can get it, and the flea market would have a increased price.
Right now you can buy M855A1 from Peace for like 7$ a bullet, while I think (I'm not at home) on the flea its like 2,000 roubles, which would only go up if the ammo was removed from traders.
ID: gq7ghbbThe rounds do not cost nearly that much to make lol, some quick research showed < $2 a round cost to the military.
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You can thank the flea market for the over abundance of top end gear like m61.
People certainly aren’t running these top end kits to infinity based on trader stock. They run out too fast for that to happen.
People talk about raider loot, labs, etc, but all of it gets funnelled through the flea market. Yes, it’s expensive, but where do people make the vast majority of their cash? The flea. The moment they added the flea, people’s bank rolls exploded, and suddenly these super expensive ammos aren’t even all that expensive relative to how much cash you can make on the flea.
Remove the flea and these issues wouldn’t be issues anymore.
ID: gq8j16mFlea is like having grand exchange on runescape. You can't play without it. Although some people like standing in varrock trying to sell rune scimmys for 30k.
ID: gq8kyq5You can thank the flea market for the over abundance of top end gear like m61.
You can craft M61 200 rounds at a time. Been slowing filling up ammo cans since I've had the appropriate workshop level. It's pretty cheap too.
ID: gq8h9wtGood luck getting this sub to accept this dark truth.
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Ammo in this game is nuts. I fucking LOVE wipe week because a majority of people are running low-mid tier ammo. IMO they should find a way to make it harder to constantly run this ammo. My hoarding ass still doesn't use m995 or M61, usually just mix it in with mid tier ammo and make sure my first shot is the good stuff.
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Yes, welcome to Tarkov. I do have a feeling Nikita will start to play with economy more and more in a way we that we really see scarcity.
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I wiped a 3 man today right inside the entrance of idea with M61. Felt great.
Then I immediately got head eyes by a shotgun scav out of nowhere. It hurt my soul, man...
ID: gq834a2Forget M61. The walking buckshot shotgun scav is the strongest thing in the game.
ID: gq7k0c9I'm not going to lie bro, you probably deserved it.
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All people should use only 5.45 PRS. Rest is to easy accessible. People should spend at least 2000 hours in game to be available to use m61
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yeah ive been slammed hard by m61 this past week, almost all CQB ranges too. tears you the fuck up.
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M61 kills Killa pretty well so yeah you’re gonna see geared guys on Interchange running it, just like m855a1 or 7.62 BP is the favorite round of Shoreline (because of the Punisher and Spa Tour), just like 7n31 or Sharp 10 is the round for Cusroms dorms, and just like 7n1 is the round of woods.
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Youre running interchange....
Half the people you are going to run into are looking for killa, and the majority of them will have a hunter with m61, with the occasional svd with snb.
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This post just reminded me to buy more m61
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It's because of the Stylish One. I ground out tracksuit a while ago this and 9/10 Killa Farmers are gonna be rocking something shooting M61. One of the very few bullets in the game that can one-tap him in the head so it's very desirable to use on that map in case you end up running into him.
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And m995 lol
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Or nakedling running M61 Vepr Hunter :)))
Yea that mostly Interchange (killa hunt), but the effectiveness of this setup is far beyond Killa hunting.
The situation is similar to Mosin in the past. It is effective, cheap and can clap anything in the game. This time it has semi rifle to go with.
And the reason is the same as was with Mosin. The ammunition, so powerful it renders gear useless. They "solved" mosin, by nerfing the gun itself and by nerfing the ammo quite a bit.
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There is just too much money in the game. Once you have a bitcoin farm going or are at least lvl 30+ you have no more money difficulties. I wish they would just decrease economy by 95%. It's absurd.
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You see the TX-15 above name? Last night I discovered how much more worthwhile it is to just get an SR-25 and toss in some M61.
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M61? I wish. I'm getting blasted by nakeds armed with KS-23s and chad squads running vectors.
That being said, Killa is still a cunt and I'm bad at this game so it doesn't really matter how I die, I just wish it could be with a little variety.
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it's not about whether it's available or not, it's just bad players who can't hit headshots and realise that since all they do is hit bodyshots, they may as well rock something that doesn't even care about headshots and thus pick up the mdr
also on interchange it's for killa
tarkov purists are out in force wanting the flea market to be removed not knowing they'd be playing a literal ghost game - then again, maybe they want to play vs the worse players that only want to play pve and blame peeker's advantage for their every death due to them running around with vsync on or never getting more than 70 fps
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There is never a reason to shoot shit ammo. Use tier 3-4 shit armor to use against scavs and people who dont know better, grab the best ammo and youre good to go.
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I literally sold 5 million roubles worth of m61 and still have 3k rounds in my stash, best bullet in the game rn
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Felt that brother, hate the state of the game unless your absolutely rich or have simple simple quests to do
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Hmm, I'll check what ammo are people using next time, right after I shred their legs with 8.5 magnum buckshot.
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ID: gq70ciwAre we?
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And here I sit without armor most of my runs so no real difference there. 😉
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Sounds like you need a break. This is just your perception. It's not like this for me.
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I really do think that for the sake of gameplay and story and progression that the flea be reworked and a player's relationship with traders play a much larger roll in the game. With the upcoming karma system and the need to consider who you kill before you kill them, I could see trader rep playing a much bigger roll. Example: stock of bullets from traders is not global, Peacekeeper is pissed at you for lighting up UN troops, hampering your rep, putting a target on your back, and he won't sell you decent bullets or at the very least, he is going to scalp you with insane prices
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dude. 3rd wipe and you still havent realized the stages in each wipe? come on....
look, at this stage, the low gear is considered to be running a fairly modded gun with good ammo + minimum a korund + ulachs + ears every time. every thing less is considered to be a hatchling.
its been almost if not, 2 months since wipe. from now on, most people will have bit coin up and running and wont be needing to do loot runs. at shit stage your gonna get meta guns and high gear. you're gonna get squads of atleast 3 trying to do the guide quest. you're also gonna get people doing meme runs where they use the most outrageous shit... 3rd wipe and you should know this dude.
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It is, for a while. Then the devs introduce some artificial shortages and it makes it a bit interesting again.
I would honestly like there to be a chance for the "made men" to be toppled. eg. After too many sequential deaths they discover that scavs have invaded their hideout during the run and trashed it, sabotaged equipment/ammo, stolen stuff, etc. Back to the grind for you, buddy!
At some point in the wipe, I think the risk is all but gone for these players. There should always be risk.
ID: gq6y4iyThat is a terrible idea
ID: gq6x4kjThat would be a nice way to make people uninstall the game for good
ID: gq7kk58Honestly just giving scavs back m80 and buffing 7.62R back to where it was is all that's needed. Streamers got salty when a scav sacked them and they complained. The devs like good children corrected it so the streamers could keep streaming. The reason we are having issues right now is because of people likes pest.
ID: gq76603Spoken like someone who's salty and jealous of people who can actually stay alive and make money lmao.
Here's my great idea: how about a chance that your shit is all wiped? You, specifically - nobody else. Wouldn't hurt me, only puts you at a disadvantage if you run into me, so it's definitely a great idea, right? I don't care if you earned it through good play, I'd rather you get fucked for no reason whatsoever, because I don't get fucked by it.
That's what your proposal sounds like. Just randomly fuck over other people for no reason, as long as it's not you, because you can't compete otherwise.
Making money is a complete joke in this game for any vaguely competent player that doesn't die over and over. Hideout aside, you can literally find bolts in a toolbox and have enough money for a mag of M61. Maybe you should spend your time learning the basics rather than coming up with ways to fuck over other players to arbitrarily bring them down to your level.
tl;dr: mad cuz bad
ID: gq842m1Agree with the sentiment that the game should never become 'risk free', how you do that exactly is the difficult part, in a way that is clever and engaging rather than annoying and off-putting!
ID: gq8gqluCompletely disagree. The worst stuff in games is when you die to something completely out of your control. Cheaters, desync, bugs, etc. If there was a chance that, through no fault of your own, you could randomly have your stash/hideout wiped or fucked with it would be the most annoying thing in the game.
Imagine you found a red keycard and you’re extracting and servers crash and you lose it. Wouldn’t feel good would it? Same premise applies.
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Welcome to late-wipe. This is why I only play in like the first 2-4 weeks of a wipe, then wait months for the next one..
(guessing the people downvoting, play tarkov for the cod gameplay of being decked out with top armour and laser guns with top tier ammo only lmao. tarkov is most enjoyable with crap guns, especially without thermals..)
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Yep. I found that out the hard way for that map. I got beamed through my class 6 chest armor twice only to see M61 as the culprit. Decided to start running it myself too.