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[HUB] AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT Review, A Worthy 5700 XT Successor?
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Hardware "It is what it is" Unboxed
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Should be $399, period. Direct 5700XT replacement, +28% perf. Would have been received so much better, and help with gamer mindshare.
IDGAF that its sold out, lots of ppl with more money than sense buy 3090 for $3K doesn't mean ppl with actual sense should be paying for such rip off hardware.
ID: gr8os89ID: gr9wm7lThat's true. Lets hope for better supply next year and Intel becoming serious competition in the GPU space. Having a third player in the market increases the chances that at least one of them has an attractive offer.
ID: gr9alkgAMD intended to launch Radeon RX 5700 XT at $449 and Radeon RX 5700 XT 50th Anniversary Edition at $499, if you remember.
AMD had to cut the prices at the last minute because NVIDIA launched the GeForce RTX 2070 Super.
ID: gr8la8kYou do know that 5700XT's are selling for up to $1000 right now, right?
ID: gralifaBecause it mines really well.
This thing mines worse than 5700XT, miners won't be paying that much for it.
ID: gr8ti13as a 5700xt owner I wouldn't be impressed even if it was 400. better performance sure but it's barely beating the 3060ti in a lot of titles, with worse ray tracing performance and no dlss support. Driver overhead issues do change the story somewhat, but I'd imagine Nvidia will try to fix those issues sooner rather than later.
ID: gr92sdfDriver overhead issues do change the story somewhat, but I'd imagine Nvidia will try to fix those issues sooner rather than later.
Last time I looked this up was during Maxwell/Pascal/Polaris times, so I may be out of date with my info here, but I doubt it:
Nvidia cannot fix the CPU utilisation 'issue', because it's not really a mistake, it's a trade-off. Nvidia chose to go with a software-based GPU scheduler, and that's what causes the greater CPU usage. AMD uses a hardware scheduler, so that work never really gets done on the CPU to begin with.
Maybe they'd be able to make it more efficient than it currently is, but I cannot envisage their CPU utilisation coming close to AMD's.
ID: gr9b1o9A $400 6700XT is pretty much par. That would be giving you a normal gen on gen upgrade in price/performance. That doesn't mean it'd be a good product, because 3060ti is better than par relative to 2060 super, but it's more or less expected.
Nvidia probably can't fix the driver overhead issue you mention, but it's also not much of a problem for sensibly configured systems. You run into problems if you're pairing a new 3070 with like a Ryzen 1600 and then asking it to run 1080p medium. So, don't do that. Use your 3070 at 1440p ultra like it was designed for and it's a negligible impact.
ID: grafbrtDriver overhead issues do change the story somewhat
That actually makes it worse for AMD in this case potentially. They are still using a 3950X in the test system, which means that for example the 3060 Ti could be running into overhead issues it wouldn't on a Zen 3/CML system. People always seem to think that a "bottleneck" is a straight line on the charts and if you still see some scaling it is "fine" and only when scaling stops is there a bottleneck. Only rarely is that the case since scenes/loads changes during a benchmark run and it can start affecting results long before that.
but I'd imagine Nvidia will try to fix those issues sooner rather than later.
Not really much they can do. It is all about architectural choices with trade offs on both sides. One reason Nvidia can sit on a worse node and still have comparable efficiency to AMD is that their architecture itself is more efficient. Where did a chunk of that efficiency come from? They lumped a large part of the scheduling on to CPU/software instead of dealing with it on die.
ID: gr8xijlI really doubt it's possible for nVidia to fix those, but I'd say the 3000 series is for the most part around $100 too expensive, while the 6700XT is around $150 too expensive. Of course, MSRP doesn't really matter atm.
ID: gr9uuv0The prices for every GPU currently sucks. In my opinion this is what these cards should cost:
RTX 3060: 270-300$ RTX 3060 ti: 340-380$ RX 6700 XT: 360-400$ RTX 3070: 420-480$ RX 6800: 450-510$ RX 6800 XT: 560-620$ RTX 3080: 600-660$ RTX 3090: 700-800$ID: gr8qpksExactly. Nvidia already has the mindshare, that's why they can get away with so much shady stuff. When stock eventually normalizes and prices go back to normal no one in their sane mind will buy this product.
ID: gr8uy4knVidia surely doesn't have me in that "mindshare" comparison...;)
ID: graihhaNah. With this environment, dealers will mark it up anyways. AMD wants a piece of the inflated prices.
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28% faster than the 5700xt at a 20% markup. What’s the point of generational improvement if you must pay more?
This product confuses me. Who wouldn’t just go for the 3070 or 3060ti. I understand they’ll sell regardless, but it’s just really weird positioning - even more so than the 6800.
ID: gr8ur5xI paid $449 on 7/7/19 for my 50th Ann ED 5700XT. MSRP, though the AMD store. It's still going strong ~20 months later. I specifically want to see how this card compares at 4k to my GPU...!
ID: graq9juI specifically want to see how this card compares at 4k to my GPU...!
Same. I was disappointed to not get any 4K tests in the video when AMD cards have been dropping a lot of performance at 4K lately.
ID: gr8v5xlAMD intended to launch Radeon RX 5700 XT at $449 and Radeon RX 5700 XT 50th Anniversary Edition at $499, if you remember.
AMD had to cut the prices at the last minute because NVIDIA launched the GeForce RTX 2070 Super.
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Ahh yes. Hardware Unavailable.
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Wow pretty disappointing results. I would not pay more than 400 for it. (in a world where MSRP actually exists). What is the incentive over a 3070 seriously?
ID: gr8jkorWhat is the incentive over a 3070 seriously?
Nothing, really.
On the other hand, what is AMDs incentive to compete on price?
ID: gr8n24jInternet points on reddit obviously.
ID: gr8zqsyThere is availability to factor in. It's impossible to get a 3070 at this point because they're far better at mining. Also largely influences the scalper prices. This thing is worse at mining than a 5700XT
ID: gr8va76It's half way between the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti and GeForce RTX 3070.
$449 would be palatable.
ID: gr8r5lz+4gb of vram i guess but even then i’ve had no issues so far with 8gb on my 3070
ID: gr8wssdso far
ID: gr8i9udThere really isn't many. This is just AMD cashing in on the supply shortage/increased demand
ID: gr8x2a8Only incentives would be a bit of extra VRAM and less affected by 3600 and worse CPUs...
ID: gr934sfWhat is the incentive over a 3070 seriously?
I'm a 1920x1200 gamer and don't care about RT. The 6700xt is consistently faster for the titles I play. Also, lower cpu overhead is nice with my 10700 since it can't be OC'd.
ID: gr8qeqrWhat is the incentive over a 3070? ... maybe being in stock for 1 second, after that nothing really
ID: gr8v31lYou have a cpu that's worse than a r5 3600. That's literally it.
ID: gr9qll2How is it a disappointing result? What's wrong right the card? What were people expecting? A 3070 killer? There's a 6800 for that.
ID: gr9dthjIt'll be less cpu limited in random dx11 and dx12 games on a 3770k?
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I think they would have put 400$, if not for the mining situation, but reality MSRP for RDNA2/Ampere is vacuum.
P.S Just checked in my country 6700XT, cost 200/300$ less than 3060ti/3070 -
Oh if it isn't our old friend 'zero price/performance improvement from gen to gen"
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Wow, it is in a bad position. Shouldve been 400 dollars as the 5700XT.
ID: gr9clglAMD intended to launch Radeon RX 5700 XT at $449 and Radeon RX 5700 XT 50th Anniversary Edition at $499, if you remember.
AMD had to cut the prices at the last minute because NVIDIA launched the GeForce RTX 2070 Super.
ID: gr9n9lvThat was simply a pr move ("jebaited"...).
ID: gr8wmtl[deleted]
ID: gr908iboriginal plans were 250 USD and the name was RX 680. But NVIDIAs 2000 series were so bad they jacked up prices.
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Miners: "No, but well take all you got for double MSRP".
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I think at this point AMD really doesn't give a damn about undercutting the competition anymore, i started to see this when AMD priced their Ryzen 5000 which is much more expensive compared to previous gen, and same thing with RDNA2 pretty much..
AMD is no longer budget price to performance value king focused, because they know their product will sell in a heartbeat anyway, and they care about maximizing profits. So, why not price it higher? Which pretty much shows that they are just the same as the supposed to be villain Nvidia and Intel.
RDNA 2 is AMD's Nvidia Turing moment and Zen 3 is AMD's Intel Skylake moment.
ID: gra3yl4I mean why focus on undercutting when you know it actually just sells and flies off the shelf quicker than you can say go buy it online, AMD as a company (and many others) know this so there's no incentive for them to sell at competitive prices because people will buy either way. The market has been sorely screwed around with the 'rona and the mining boom, the free market is just flying sky high, At this point it will take a while for pricing to go back to normal since these products go out of stock they know people will be willing to buy it at these prices.
The only decently priced card if you can grab it and lucky is the 3060Ti, even though you lack the extra 4GB VRAM that hasn't stopped it from being a good card if you can get it at the suggested price, the only one that is close to that is the FE edition which is a blessing.
Maybe when the market isn't so screwed up they will start to settle for competitive prices, but at this point I hardly doubt they will do such a thing if it just sells.
As GN put it, it just needs to exist for it to sell out.
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That cost per frame graph at the end is painful. Especially because the 3060, 3060ti and 3070 are ahead WITHOUT using DLSS. Enabling DLSS 2.0 on Quality preset and those cards easily gain a 30% improvement.
The 6700xt should have been like $350.
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From last generation to now it is not good value. 2 Gen or more, it is an excellent upgrade for anybody if..
You can find one. Pay at or close to msrp Don't care about RT or DLSS.Edit: 1080ti MSRP was $699 so I'd have no problem upgrading to a 6700xt... That is if I didn't have a GSync monitor
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I am actually quite impressed with the product. 2080Ti-ish level performance, minus the RTX feature-set, for "$480".
Sure, it doesn't shatter the competition. The 3070 is indeed a more compelling product, and so is the 3060Ti, but I don't think you could go wrong with a 6700XT. I would like it to be priced at $450 instead, and maybe have a game or two bundled (a practice we saw AMD adhering to for all RX5000 cards), but still, I think the price is decent enough and the product itself is very appealing for 1440p gaming.
As we know though, it won't be available, it won't be priced at MSRP plus AIB partners will charge outrageous premiums for their fancier custom cards.
Nevertheless, the 6700XT is, at least in theory, a good product.
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Sure if msrp or actual price was the same.
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Huehuehue. You cannot buy this @ MSRP. Didnt you already know?
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Someone told me a rule of commercial a while back and so far it’s really true. If a YouTube video start with a question, the answer is no. In this case it’s very obvious unfortunately, they will get there. In the meantime I love that there is finally some competition.
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Nah click bait title. It's not meant to compete with the 3070. The 6800 already did that. Amd marketed between the 60ti and the 70. It's a $400 card for sure but amd/Nvidia/Intel are easily getting away with robbery because people are OK paying for scalped prices.
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Reception and mindshare do not matter AT ALL when you know your product will sell. That's the unfortunate reality right now