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AMD $360 Ryzen 7 5700G APU Review & Benchmarks vs. R5 5600G, R7 5800X, & More
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The 5600G is not the 5600 non X and the 5700G is not the 5800 non X that people were hoping for. The 32MB cache really helps Zen3 and halving that was significant.
Add that to not having PCIE4 and eehhh. Feels more like a better 3600 and 3700X but with a nice IGP. Not bad, but not great.
ID: h2d440fID: h2e7gz7there's some regression in cache performance from zen 2 to 3 in favor of improving parallel access across the whole cache without needing too many extra transistors/draw too much power. 32mb might just be right on the edge of what zen 3's new cache layout needs to mask regressions. from the benchmarks in OP it looks like its still got good improvements in latency sensitive software like games but it's basically regressed to zen 2 desktop levels of throughput without the full cache.
ID: h2demm3I think these APUs should be tested with faster memory. With less cache and an integrated bandwidth hungry iGPU, memory speed matters. And crucially, these chips allow for fast memory. So in fairness I think such a test is in order. Whether using the iGPU or not, it should help.
I say this as someone who has a 4650G w/ ram @ 4266 CL16. I can get up to 4400, albeit not with the same timings. But benchmarks seemingly put it pretty close to a stock 3600 with lower speed (typical 3200) memory.
ID: h2e36spYes, these should scale a bit more with faster memory than thier equivalent Zen 3 chiplet parts.
Also, they should more easily hit 4000+ with 1:1 fabric:memory ratio as the last gen APUs did.
At least for those who are interested in buying these as a stop-gap until GPUs are cheap, those users might buy fast memory, anticipating upgrading to a 12 or 16 core Zen3 w/ stacked sram early next year, along with a gpu after the mining crash.
Sure, you are buying this APU now and won't need it later, but it will be easy to save $400 by waiting for GPU prices to come down, to justify it for now.
I am in this position now, itching to build a new PC but not willing to pay for an expensive GPU yet. I don't have a lot of time to game at the moment with a newborn in the house, so I can wait a bit. But I do need an upgraded PC for other reasons. I would love to see how these scale with some decent memory at high memory speeds (not super premium / pricey, just a good chunk above average, like the old micron rev-e).
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ID: h2dwucpthey should test with the most common setup, which is not going to be very fast memory. that way it is relevant for the biggest number of users. very few people will have 4000+ mhz ram.
ID: h2fhx1sI say this as someone who has a 4650G w/ ram @ 4266 CL16.
Such a setup is probably highly abnormal, though.
Testing APU's with more standard memory makes a lot more sense for the general market that wants these kinds of products.
For those who really prioritize high performance, going with discrete CPU and GPU is gonna be the usual direction.
ID: h2ejkoiIf i wanna use this for a plex server is it good enough?
ID: h2eko01Should be fine for direct play or streams. If you have to transcode, you will likely be able to use hardware accelerated transcoding on Windows only. You might get one or two simultaneous hardware accelerated transcodes and then the rest will have to be software transcodes, which will choke the cpu pretty quickly.
Bottom line, it should be okay as long as it's a small server without a lot of simultaneous clients that require transcoding.
ID: h2f5v4nPerformance-wise - yes, it will work.
But AMD's transcoding block produces really low quality output, so it's not really worth the trouble and cash.
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This is obviously for a very niche use case, or realistically during these times a hold over until you can get a discrete GPU, which could be a long time. Personally, I'm looking to make a deskmini build for my wife who doesn't play very intensive games, and the last piece of the puzzle is the CPU, which either the 5600G or 5700G would be great for. Definitely not worth the extra $100 for ~5% better gpu performance, but I might end up getting the 5700G just because I do want the best possible performance for her computer for those occasional times when playing games since there is no possibility of getting a dGPU to throw in.
Also a big shout out to GN for doing this comparison. I have been watching random benchmarks for both CPUs but none did a side by side comparison. Also, would be good to know how much of an increase in performance the iGPU have over the 4000 series APUs.
ID: h2djcj0Same here. I want that sweet 7W idle power of the southbridge-less X300 "chipset" and am going for the fanless cirrus7 incus case while I'm at it. Now that it looks like the price will be the same as the previous generation, why settle for less? That is, unless there is not going to be a UEFI update. Would also like a comparison with the Ryzen 7 PRO 4750G for the reason I wrote in the comment further up.
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Too bad they couldn't add RDNA2 graphics in these APU's yet. Still, this would be a great option if you're building an all new system, and you want to wait for graphic card prices to normalize.
ID: h2dm1ldWhy would they care? The only scenario that would push them into investing in desktop APUs further is if Intel sells a roided out i7-1185G7 into the desktop space, which they seemingly have no interest in doing. Its the same reason why Zen 3 TR is seemingly far off, they have zero competition in the sector so why direct immediate attention at it.
ID: h2e0remI think they have better reasons for that though, like not being able to do due to power consumption goals,they pushed pretty hard to get the 20x20 target. Maybe rdna impedes that in some way.
Is the best reason i can think off. Because if they could push harder, it means a major market share in less time. Even if intel can't compete,, they are still the leaders of the market, so AMD is far from done. They will push as much s they can, as long as it makes sense for long term goals.
ID: h2ezxdlAnd they are fairly memory bound anyway, I doubt we will see any rdna2 until we get DDR5
ID: h2endl5It really doesn't matter that much which architecture is used in the igpu since ram speed and bandwidth will very soon become the bottleneck.
Maybe with DDR5 we'll see a paradigm shift regarding this limitation, it would be nice.
ID: h2d28vuMaybe. But that’s only be if you’re waiting like 6+ months for any gpu at all. A mid ranged cpu plus a cheaper shitty gpu would equal or outperform this for equal or lesser money, while using less system memory. If someone is in that budget position, and I’d guess anyone to whom this is attractive is in that budget position, they very well could be looking at getting 8gb of memory now, with the intention of upgrading later, and that would seriously hinder performance.
ID: h2e059cI'd rather have a 3600 + used HD7870/R9 270x than buy a 5600g/5700g + no dedicated GPU and "wait." Same (or better?) price with way, way better "performance." Or even better, a 5600x or 5800x, whatever.. But as a gamer, there's no way I could settle for APU gaming performance.
ID: h2dk01lA mid ranged cpu plus a cheaper shitty gpu would equal or outperform this for equal or lesser money
There is no such thing as a "cheap shitty gpu" anymore. The best u could do is a gt 1030 plus a much weaker cpu and you'd have worse performance than this apu.
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Timestamps: 00:00 - AMD R7 5700G CPU / APU Review 02:18 - Ryzen 5600G & 5700G APU Specs vs. 5600X & 5800X 07:37 - Frequency (All-Core) vs. 5600G & 5600X 08:45 - Single-Core Frequency Testing in Cinebench R20 09:14 - IGP: CSGO at 1080p/Medium 10:40 - IGP: Fortnite (Low & Performance) 13:17 - IGP: Rocket League at 1080p/Performance 14:25 - IGP: Rainbow Six: Siege 15:04 - Blender CPU Rendering Benchmark 5700G vs. 5800X 16:39 - Adobe Premiere AMD CPU Benchmarks 17:09 - Chromium Code Compile 17:35 - 5700G + GPU Gaming Benchmarks: Cyberpunk 2077 18:18 - Red Dead Redemption 2 at 1080p 18:42 - F1 2020 at 1080p 19:09 - GTA V at 1080p 19:32 - 5700G APU vs. dGPU Suite: Cyberpunk 2077 20:47 - GTA V in the GPU Suite 21:15 - Rainbow Six: Siege in GPU Suite 21:50 - Power Consumption (Blender & Cinebench) 22:40 - Gaming Power Consumption for the APU 23:22 - Conclusion
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5700G running CB20=90w
5800x running CB20=132w (consumes +47% more)
5700G running Blender = 95w
5800x running Blender = 127w (finishes 11% faster but consumes 33% more)
ID: h2e9ei5High clocks will result in exponentially higher power draw, and a package with more IO will also draw more power. More news at 11
ID: h2eupprI think it's probably I/O die inefficiency related. Because the +47% more for 100-200mhz and similar volts doesn't explain it.
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Pls AMD give 349$ r7 5700x with 32MB cache .
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These explain why gaming laptops with 5800H/5900HX just don’t get as much frame vs intel as people were expecting even if they’re more efficient under heavy all core load. Intel is more forgiving with the shit ram laptops will usually have, and with less cache Ryzen is extremely dependent on good ram.
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How about USB issues though, is there a hardware fix in 5700G?
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It looks good for sffPC if all i want is a good office PC running linux and occasional gaming.
But seems like no worth the extra $100 over 5600g for my goal.
5600g looks better suited for a silent sffPC.
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where is the ram oc perf comparisons?
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I believe Steve remarked early on in the 5600G review that he's going to upload OC content for the 2 APUs.
I'll be looking out for that video.
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引用元:https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/o3n3lm/amd_360_ryzen_7_5700g_apu_review_benchmarks_vs_r5/
And again, what they did was double the L3 cache from the previous generation, which only had a quarter of the IGP-less models, so you would think the gap should shrink. I'm really curious why that is not the case.