Obligatory post, but if AI scavs are killing you more than PMC, i promise it’s not a fault of the AI system.

1 : Anonymous2021/04/14 14:32 ID: mqrt9p

Seeing lots of posts again regarding how “difficult and broken” scav AI can be. While it can be frustrating, and they will luckily kill you sometimes, this should be a VERY rare occurrence still yet.

If you are dying to scavs this much on your PMC, there are other skills in Tarkov you should work on before coming to Reddit to bitch about scavs. Frankly you suck at Tarkov if they’re constantly killing you

I don’t wanna hear all your dumbass stories about how scavs headshot 360 no scope buckshot from 300M away either. Like I said, it happens but very very rarely. Stop being so bad and stop catering to these noobs talking about scav AI being too hard lmao

EDIT: The fact this post isn’t being downvoted into non-existence means that we have hope!! Nice to see others can actually handle the AI in tarkov lolol

2 : Anonymous2021/04/14 17:16 ID: guibji0

Yeah what a lot of people don't realize is that you CANNOT re-peek an angle against AI or they dome you instantly. Once you know that, it becomes easy.

ID: guimtuw

Also if you need to, just break LOS for about 5 seconds and they'll forget about you and then you get another chance at first peak

ID: guiz5ze

If anyone wants to see this first hand, go sniping. If you miss, just wait a minute and they'll wander back out in the open like they didn't just get shot at 30 seconds ago.

ID: guinndp

True as well

ID: guj7sii

So is the play to backpedal and kite them around the corner?

ID: gujohuj

Yeah if they see you and you go behind cover they'll usually keep pointing their gun where they saw you, so if you repeek theyll instantly shoot you. If you go to a different angle you can catch them not aiming at you and have time to kill them easily.

ID: gujb83l

If you are to re-peek, peek with your whole body as they aim center mass of whatever they lock onto. That’s why it’s always a “head,eyes” when they murder you. Full body they aim at chest and then usually an arm as you go to ADS on them.

ID: gujcud9

Its so simple but people can't get their head around it: Treat scavs like (dumb) players.

They wouldn't re peek a player that just saw them, but they'll do it to a shotty scav at 20 meters away and wonder why they died.

Last time I died to a scav was dozens of raids ago and trust me, I can't aim for shit

ID: gujtp1o

Yup, this is exactly it. Never re-peek a scav. Ppl just get lazy with this game and think they can hard charge like their favorite streamer and then fuck up small things like not re-peeking scavs.

3 : Anonymous2021/04/14 16:28 ID: gui4vaf

I don’t think it’s difficulty, i think it’s consistency

ID: gujnuf5

I think it's more, people who have learnt how to deal with the shit AI vs those who have expectations of how the AI SHOULD act. The AI is not good.

Is it easy to learn how they act and play around this? Sure. Should that be how it is? Not really imo. Yes, it's early access I'm sure it will be improved before the 2030 release. Let's not pretend the current state of the AI is reasonable and people are entitled to be annoyed by it to a certain degree.

ID: gujpbr5

I’ve never seen any other game where the AI does the random shit scavs do. Looting various dead bodies? Check. Looting chests? Check. Wiggling when you wiggle? Check. Being (normally) competent survivalists? Check.

Don’t discount the complexity of building what ever algorithm dictates the scavs action. They are the lifeblood of EFT. Without them, it would just be a bunch of crayon eaters running around, shooting each other in the face and I can play cod for that.

4 : Anonymous2021/04/14 14:59 ID: guhso7e

Scav ai definitely has been fixed, mostly, tough in certain conditions they are indeed having unreal reactions like headshotting you between two slats from 80m for example, that's an issue but not what makes them necessarily hard (you just get tarkov'd sometimes), the problem that some people encounter is coming often from them playing higher latency servers, and feeling like the scavs have insane reaction time when it just boils down to them losing that reaction time to latency as the scavs are not client side

ID: gui0jy8

I think that is the part some people miss. They may have lagged/desync, and on their screen the scav 180 no scope headshot you but in reality, you were standing still for 30 seconds due to lag and a scav capped you.

Since they reworked the AI recently scavs have almost seemed to easy. Im finding myself running the new pistol and running around killing any scav easily now and Im mid 20s player this wipe and last wipe was my first wipe (not real experienced).

ID: gui9xgx

When do you think it got fixed?

Perhaps you've just gotten better. I don't think Scavs were ever broken that badly. I've only been frustrated with a few deaths by Scavs since I started playing several wipes ago, mostly just unlucky buckshot to the eyes.

5 : Anonymous2021/04/14 16:20 ID: gui3uxc

I'm lvl 39 and havent been killed by an AI (non-boss) in the past 30 or so raids. I agree that its either confirmation bias or something is up will all the scav constant aimbot posts.

6 : Anonymous2021/04/14 17:24 ID: guicpyi

I have had Scavs DESTROY me this wipe more so than previously

It is 100% because I am more confident in the game and so do stupid shit like running head first at scavs cos “it’s only an AI right”

I always feel like an idiot when a scav kills me cos I know it is entirely my own fault

ID: guj2s65

Sanitar was crouched behind that woodpile next to the fence at cottages that he crouches next to sometimes. So me and 2 of my friends were all standing on the other side looking at the top of his head giggling about "he thinks he's hiding hehe."

Sanitar stood up and full auto'd all of us down with 3 shots to the chest each with no misses, all our screens went black simultaneously.

Other than that one time all my other deaths to scavs have just been me being stupid with the occasional instant headshot but nothing as cracked as killing 3 PMCs in 9 shots from a VSS in less than a second.

Well... Maybe that time was us all being stupid as well...

ID: guj35di


Idk what bullets they give sanitizer but I know every time I'm killed by a VSS it feels like I didn't even get to see them on my screen before I'm in the dirt. That gun is like king of lag kills or something I tell you hwhat

7 : Anonymous2021/04/14 14:59 ID: guhso8t

I tell people "if scavs arent easy in offline mode, you arent ready for online mode".

But even the best of us get stupid and decide that we really CAN re-peek that corner, we'll get them for sure. Blammo, head-eyes.

ID: gui0dcu

"Lemme just jump-peek real quick so I can get a lock on this scav" - guy who is about to die mid-air

ID: guiea66

My only problem with scavs is sometimes they just sit still. For ever. And I'll kill all their buddies and think I'm done but then I'm eating shit. Thats on me for not checking, but it sucks.

ID: guimoj6

yeah as much as i know re peeking is never a good idea yet my stupid ass still does it

ID: guip8pf

Ha. I have a label above my monitor that says " Do not repeek the same angle you mong"

It doesn't work.

ID: guisam1

That's really what it comes down to; I think a lot of the people bitching about scavs don't treat them with the respect they deserve. They're not the easy cannon fodder of other games so if you run at them or try to dance around them you will get tapped.

ID: guje45p

I've never played offline mode. What's the point? Would rather learn by failing than learn by faffing about.

8 : Anonymous2021/04/14 16:46 ID: gui7fss

Playing since Labs was free, >2500 hrs.

After your first or second wipe scavs should be cake. Raiders, minions and whatnot can always make a higher senses play.

After spending a few hundred hours in the official public discord, the people that think scavs are cracked are the type to keep trying the same things that don't work and expecting different outcomes or who are unwilling to adapt their gameplay to the game.

ID: guikjjs

Whenever one of these "scavs are broken" posts includes a video as evidence, the vast majority of the time it's a guy stood completely in the open tap firing, or someone sprinting along who gets spotted by a scav, gets shot at, and then reacts by turning and standing.

It's also worth remembering that Tarkov is full of hatchlings and pistolings, and I'd bet they're all onboard with any and all scav nerfs.

ID: guim42e

When I look at people's stats I divide PMC kills by deaths to get a player k/d more or less.

Having like .7 is fine. I understand, you went to factory 31 times in a row with a mosin and pistol and play twice a week. We're not measuring dicks.

I've seen a lot of players though.... this number is closer to .05-.1 pk/d. Maybe 5-10% of randos in public discord.

I'd also think this sub is mostly new players and vets frequent it less as they become knowledge bases themselves, and just care to see changes and participate less cuz this sub is kinda toxic

9 : Anonymous2021/04/15 01:12 ID: guk0a55

Honestly, once you're out of the PACA phase, getting killed by a scav that isn't a raider, boss, or bodyguard (or a cultist) should be a seriously rare occurrence. If it happens often, you're probably doing something very wrong.

10 : Anonymous2021/04/14 15:44 ID: guhyu20

I die to scavs often enough to roll my eyes at it, but it's usually in bullshit circumstances where they see me through bushes that no player would see through, or when the coast is fully clear and I run through the open and the fucking scav picks that moment to Opachki his ass around a corner and go crazy with his 7mm fuckshot.

The times that I never get killed by scavs are when I walk around a corner and see a bunch of them standing there, because their AI is such that so long as you don't re-peek the exact same place they lost sight of you at you've got like 1.5-2 seconds of them flipping you off and yelling to just shoot them.

Fighting scavs is almost never hard, but getting killed by scav bullshit happens sometimes anyway.

ID: guiewxd

The worst is standing on mini Skeleton by bus depot and getting shot by a scav by the pipes through the barbed wire where you literally cannot see him.

11 : Anonymous2021/04/14 14:46 ID: guhqwm5

Scavs were absolutely cracked 2 months ago. The magnum buckshot was a very real issue. I took a month off and came back and scavs are a non factor now. They're free XP and gear.

ID: guhs70y

I've played this entire wipe and not once have they ever seemed difficult. I'd watch my friends take too long to kill them or re-peek the same spot and die a lot though. At least from my time playing since the start of .12, it's nearly always the players being bad and dying to the AI. Except raider AI of course.

ID: gui4mg8

I run around with a 153 with Magnums for fun most of the time and have zero issues with Scavs or Raiders, a lot of people stay in their line of fire for far to long or approach them at shit angles.

12 : Anonymous2021/04/14 15:09 ID: guhtzha

Just like to point out that BSG has recently updated scav AI, so maybe people complaining back then had a point. Right now they're pretty bad though, so I agree on that front.

13 : Anonymous2021/04/14 23:55 ID: gujrckv

"Guys the scavs aren't hard. I'm good at the game, so nobody should be having trouble. Just stop being bad"

I am not saying scavs are too difficult in any way but maybe you could give some advice to the people this is targeted towards instead of just venting and being arrogant.

14 : Anonymous2021/04/14 16:25 ID: gui4i4l

Not that I agree with your wording in this, but I do agree to some extent in the fact people need to learn how to properly engage/disengage on scav’s. I think a very big point new players and some vets miss when complaining on this is how much exposure you have to the ai. If your only peeking your head and then repeeking from sub 30-50m yeah they will head tap you. But, if you expose more (and this was learned back in 12.10 and posted on) your likely hood of being head, eyes will drop significantly. TLDR: expose more than your head when you engage and obviously be aware of their spawn locations and timing.

15 : Anonymous2021/04/14 16:41 ID: gui6qm2

Bruh most of my scav deaths have been on scav runs from the boss/ minions protecting him lol. It’s my first wipe ever but sometimes you do just get tarkoved

16 : Anonymous2021/04/14 16:44 ID: gui7730

Took a break from tarkov and came back mid-wipe went in first raid to customs and got into a long range fight from big bridge to storage area. Sniped one guy and ran up by storage to be 180 quick whipped by a scav. “Ah welcome back to tarkov “ I thought. I have played 20-30 more raids since then and not died to a scav since

17 : Anonymous2021/04/14 17:23 ID: guicht0

Agreed. I get frustrated when a scav kills me. But I know it's my fault usually if it happens.

18 : Anonymous2021/04/14 17:28 ID: guid8lh

I suck at Tarkov, but I can still handle the AI at least. Very true, it is rare to get 1 tapped unless you are literally standing still for a few seconds asking for it in the middle of a firefight.

19 : Anonymous2021/04/14 17:40 ID: guiewgu

People repeek scavs immediately after taking aggro and die to it. You must wait to repeek for their aim to reset

20 : Anonymous2021/04/14 17:47 ID: guifywu

honestly i only get killed by shotgun scavs those fuckers scare me

21 : Anonymous2021/04/14 18:43 ID: guinhar

In the past week I've only had 2 shit experiences with scav's but both ended with my highly trained PMC being shit on, first one sniper scav screamed out and then thorax'd me instantly on Shoreline, I couldn't see him and it was over before the voice line finished. The second one a scav'y boy made no coms and I ran up on him and he blasted me with a shotgun and I lost all my stam and a leg so I couldn't turn and run, I shot a 7bt1 round into his thorax but he kept blasting.

Sure it was my fault on running up on him but sometimes they just sit there and don't com or make noise.. it is enough to write a post to complain? No, but we as a community should focus on negative experiences and try to make them better or help others through it..

22 : Anonymous2021/04/14 19:06 ID: guiqkef

My teammates are usually more dangerous than scavs.

23 : Anonymous2021/04/14 19:30 ID: guitw5e

I fully agree with this, although scavs with the SKS recently seem to be hyper accurate and hit almost every shot.

24 : Anonymous2021/04/14 20:56 ID: guj5qzt

While i completely agree with the general idea, asking that scavs do not head-eye on 1st shot with buckshots, since they're not supposed to really, is not catering to noobs. It's a fix the game issue.

Also you sounded like a bit of a dick tbh.

25 : Anonymous2021/04/14 22:33 ID: gujhxqf

I can kill the AI easily but I cannot kill a PMC for the life of me.

26 : Anonymous2021/04/15 00:24 ID: gujuozs

I don't mind how dangerous Scavs are normally, they are pretty tame. However let a Scav get on a mounted machine gun like on Customs and they are fucking lethal, I've been decked a few times in a single shot from a Scav on the LMG.


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