You know, I never realized until now that the party members in Final Fantasy VII are on the older side

1 : Anonymous2021/03/11 04:31 ID: m2hsy6

Like, Cloud, Tifa, and Aerith are all at least 20. You have two dudes in their 30's. Vincent isn't a teenager either. Cait Sith is uhh well, he's a fucking doll. The only actual teenager is Yuffie. Red XIII maybe too depending on how you look at it.

Like, right off the top of my head about half your crew in FFX are teenagers. FF8 I think almost all of them are teenagers (I haven't played it so not sure exactly) FFXII Van and Penelo are teenaged.

Golden Sun all your party members are teenagers except for Eoleo in Dark Dawn I think. Well Piers isn't I guess technically

Xenoblade, Shulk, Reyn, Seven and maybe Melia depending on your definition are teenagers.

Dargon Quest XI - Luminary, Veronica, Serena, Erik are teenagers or younger

Funnily enough in Mario RPG I think Mallow is the only non-adult in your party

2 : Anonymous2021/03/11 07:24 ID: gqjorsy

Yakuza like a dragon has the oldest party make up in a game and it’s wonderful for it.

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It sounds wrong when you have a game called Yakuza but the casts are the same age as highschoolers

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I need more JRPGs where every character is middle aged

3 : Anonymous2021/03/11 09:27 ID: gqjzbb4

I must be old. People in their early 20s might as well still be teenagers. lol

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But jrpg 20 is like 25-30 irl. Jrpg 30 is 45.

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I'm 20 and I agree lmao

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Yeah. This thread is making me uncomfortable/feel old. People talking about characters in their 20s, as if they're old? Fuck that noise! I'm in my 30s and still young.



4 : Anonymous2021/03/11 12:13 ID: gqkctby

I'm 33, and 21 year olds look like kids to me. The difference between people in their very early 20s and late teens feels non-existant now, even though I remember it feeling huge at the time.

5 : Anonymous2021/03/11 05:43 ID: gqjezkm

Final Fantasy always was good about not having the entire party be compromised of teenagers with VIII being the exception and IX being the next closest with half of your party were all 16 or younger.

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What about 1, 2 and 3?

6 : Anonymous2021/03/11 09:30 ID: gqjzj84

It's actually really refreshing. Especially since i'm in my 30s now. Also vincent is 27 but technically like 60? He didnt really have much to do in all those years... except regret and think about the past...which explains why he's so awkward. His emotional growth was stunted but at least he was already an adult before that happened.

ff9 ages rage from 6 to 33 so it's a pretty spread out group age wise

7 : Anonymous2021/03/11 12:12 ID: gqkcqtb

I wish more JRPGs had older characters in general. I know the Tales games are typically pretty good for this, but I want to see more protagonists that are like 30+.

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Only with male characters in Tales, though. The oldest female character (that isn’t a member of a race of people that live for hundreds of thousands of years) is Raine in Tales of Symphonia, coming in at the ripe old age of... 24.

By comparison, the oldest “normal” male character is 62.

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I said this in tbe falcom sub about the new trails game but they never give us older women characters I'd love to get an Izumi Curtis from FMA brotherhood type of older woman as a character.

8 : Anonymous2021/03/11 14:33 ID: gqkqvav

JRPG character ages are all arbitrary nonsense. Characters never act or look their ages. I'm playing Xenoblade right now and none of these characters act like teens except MAYBE Reyn, and Dunban only looks older because of his beard, if he looks older at all.

Unless it is canonically important for a character to be a child, I just think of them as "adults" and move on.

9 : Anonymous2021/03/11 12:26 ID: gqkduky

That's what I liked about Lost Odyssey, it was different. They were all adult characters, sometimes with adult issues besides the main story. There are only 2 young characters in the roster compared to the rest of the cast who are all adults.

10 : Anonymous2021/03/11 05:05 ID: gqjaxlo

Isn't everyone in FF15 in their 20s ? FF13 also had only 2 characters under 20.

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Yes. Noctis and Prompto were 20, Ignis was 22, and Gladiolus was 23.

11 : Anonymous2021/03/11 08:31 ID: gqjurzw

I am playing through this game right now AND It Is my first ff. I am absolutely loving It with all my heart. I liked thhis post this was very adecuate.

12 : Anonymous2021/03/11 08:14 ID: gqjt9nr

Persona 2 has an older cast, well at least one of the games does.

But for Final Fantasy I know at least IV, VI and XIV(Scions and stuff) have an older cast.

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Persona 2 swapped the number of adult and teen party members when you have your final party

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Eternal Punishment had adult protagonists; Innocent Sin had the high school kids. Though iirc Tatsuya and Jun are third years and Maya and Yukino are the adult characters (Yukino being from Persona 1).

In Eternal Punishment (iirc), Maya is 23, Ulala is 24 (which is where a lot of her angst comes from thanks to “Christmas cake” stereotypes), Baofu is 35 (I think?), and I don’t remember Katsuya’s age, but I think he’s in his 20s. As are Nanjo and Eriko (who are also from Persona 1).

13 : Anonymous2021/03/11 09:40 ID: gqk07ph

Never considered cloud to be 21. I always thought he was mid 20s

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Super soldier cells be like that. Captain America is like 25 years old for another comparison.

14 : Anonymous2021/03/11 12:16 ID: gqkd2ys
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I love when Vaan asks Fran how old she is and how all the others react.

15 : Anonymous2021/03/11 16:16 ID: gql47iw

In my mind it always felt like this:

Cloud: 26

Tifa: 25

Barret: 38

Aerith: 22

Red XIII: 16

Yuffie: 18

Vincent: 35

Cait Sith:??? (Reeve: 40)

Cid: 45

Sephiroth: 39

Like I know everyone is under that age officially, but how they carry and present themselves, that's what they actually feel like to me.

16 : Anonymous2021/03/11 14:19 ID: gqkp6g8

Cait Sith may be a doll physically, but mentally he's a middle aged business man.

17 : Anonymous2021/03/11 11:48 ID: gqkawe0

I’ve always liked how FFVII had a more adult cast.

18 : Anonymous2021/03/11 17:40 ID: gqlft84

Yeah, no matter what my age (I've been playing JRPGs for over 23 years), I've never really understood the appeal of playing as kids or even teenagers. Young adults, fine, but the Japanese obsession with putting VERY young people in their games (and animals) never really resonated with me. And they did seem older in FFVII, which is one of the reasons that game stood out for me at the time, honestly.

19 : Anonymous2021/03/11 13:31 ID: gqkjr83

Yeah, Aeris dies of old age at the end of disc 1.

20 : Anonymous2021/03/11 14:39 ID: gqkrkfn

I think this is why I liked Shadow Hearts: Covenant so much. Everyone except Anastasia and Kurando are 25+

21 : Anonymous2021/03/11 17:51 ID: gqlhgst

Hot take, I've always felt like the younger VII cast(Yuffie withstanding) should have been older(at least by 4 years) based on their personalities. The remake didn't do much to asage that feeling.

22 : Anonymous2021/03/11 05:57 ID: gqjgg77

I like that FF has a broader age spectrum. For me the teenage girls like Yuffie, Selphie, Rikku, Penelo were always the most annoying.

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Not to mention the little horn girl in IX. One of my favorite games and I can’t even remember her name. Was it Eiko?

23 : Anonymous2021/03/11 08:51 ID: gqjwdt5

I always remember one flashback scene in FFVII where Cloud's mother says that he should go for "a nice older girl", obviously to set up Aerith as the 'right girl' for being 22 to his 21.

Now that I'm in my thirties, that's absolutely hilarious. Yeah, that world of difference between a 20yo girl and a 22yo girl...

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I think it just means more mature.

25 : Anonymous2021/03/11 15:59 ID: gql1xd2

We need more JRPGs with older characters. I don’t want to always play the same “late teen serendipitous adventure” storyline that I played when I was a late teen myself.

26 : Anonymous2021/03/11 17:11 ID: gqlbr9u

I actually remember that being negative for Final Fantasy 8 for me that the entire group are a bunch of teenagers. The age variety in Final Fantasy 7 and especially Final Fantasy 6 was kind of a big deal to me because it provided for interesting storytelling.

27 : Anonymous2021/03/11 14:31 ID: gqkql0o

I actually really like that about the story since this means it won't be just another coming of age story; it's more about relationships to the people around us and the planet itself and that's a beautiful thing.

28 : Anonymous2021/03/11 09:41 ID: gqk0ago

It´s a JRPG trope. 16 years old boys and girls saving the world.

29 : Anonymous2021/03/11 16:41 ID: gql7o6b

Yes, and 30 year olds are always old, battle hardened gray haired generals that have seen it all.

30 : Anonymous2021/03/11 12:11 ID: gqkcoly

Being fair, the FFX cast wasn't that teenage heavy, Rikku was 15, Tidus and Yuna 17, Wakka and Lulu were like 22-23, Auron is 35 and I forgot about Kimahri, but he was between 25-27 of I'm not bad. Not the same as FFVII, but not on the all 17 crew that was FFVIII, with Quistis being like 18 and therefore the oldest main character.

My favourite FF example is FFIV:TAY tho, with Cecil, Kain, Yang, Edward, Cid, Golbez, Edge and Rosa all being over 30, with only 3 characters being actual teenagers.

31 : Anonymous2021/03/11 13:16 ID: gqki9y5

It's all related to whom they're aiming to, I think

If you come to think, most Final Fantasies aren't really for teenagers...

Not saying they have some heavy violence or nudity whatsoever, but FF IV, V and VI are also very serious... adults trying to deal with a lot of responsibilities in a world in war, going against old men and tyrants, something most adults usually have to face...

There's some kids there, Rydia, Palom, Porom, who act like something those adult have to watch over, and also, if a kid identify with them, better yet

Final Fantasy VIII was from a era in which it was cool to be a teenager with a lot of existential issues, a couple adults identify with Seifer, Edea, Quistis, who seem like adults, and some with the teenagers, cheerful and emotive, so it increased the age range they were aiming

FF IX and FFX are something else; it's very teenager, although both stories are also dense and slightly mature in a couple parts, have this appeal for teenagers living adventures, some drama and colors and stuff

Some adults enjoyed because they had good experience with previous FFs titles, imo

Nowadays I have no patience with Squall personality, so it wouldn't be a interesting game anymore, and Zidane sure is a annoying yelling kid...

And now I understand why Cid, Barret are all grumpy and I identify a lot with Auron, someone I used to dislike in my previous FFX gameplay

32 : Anonymous2021/03/11 14:55 ID: gqktimt

This the first time I heard of someone not liking Auron one of the most universally loved Characters in FF

33 : Anonymous2021/03/11 16:42 ID: gql7upe

I think after VII, they started making their characters a little younger to try and appeal to a broader audience.

34 : Anonymous2021/03/11 12:32 ID: gqkeegc

Yeah, it was only really with FFVIII where they embraced a mostly teenager party (and the plot was built around that fact)

For the most part FF games feature a diverse range of age groups. It's other JRPG IPs that lean hard into the "party of adolescents" trope.

35 : Anonymous2021/03/11 16:39 ID: gql7e7v

Cait Sith is an adult male

36 : Anonymous2021/03/11 16:48 ID: gql8kd4

Idk about 10. Pretty sure wakka, kimhari, auron and others are either middle aged or in their 20s.

37 : Anonymous2021/03/11 09:36 ID: gqjzwgm

i liked that in xenoblade 1 characters actually acted way more mature than in most games and i wouldnt call any of them teenagers even if they are. on the other hand i would definitely call cloud from ff7r a teen. ages dont matter that much like they can say whatever number they want its all about how they act and look. i dont care if a loli is canonically 10000 years old shes still a child and vise versa(only talking about fiction ofc)

38 : Anonymous2021/03/11 10:45 ID: gqk5e5s

It's part of why I like 7, people like to shit on it but it had so many unique elements from other jrpgs.

Advising you now to not bother with 8.

39 : Anonymous2021/03/11 19:23 ID: gqluake

Who's shitting on ff7? It's one of the most beloved games of the genre. Not sure what the strong feelings are about ff8. Not my personal favorite of the bunch, but definitely not among the worst.

40 : Anonymous2021/03/11 09:04 ID: gqjxh2q

Reading this made me feel really age-ist. I've been playing BDII and just cant get over the fact that Elvis is significantly older than the others. The overall dynamic of the group just feels less fun than the previous two parties in the series. At the same time, it might just be the lack of symmetry. Maybe if there were two older characters instead of just one, it would have worked better.

41 : Anonymous2021/03/11 10:16 ID: gqk30h8

But the difference between the ages of Elvis and Adelle give some lovely taste to the way they met and how Elvis hire Adelle. The reality is that the developers made some copy-paste from BD.

42 : Anonymous2021/03/11 12:34 ID: gqkei6r

Tales of Berseria's cast has adults aside from one character (depends a bit on it if you count 18+ as an adult or not).

I really like it if there are different age groups in my party, makes it possible to show different lines of thoughts. Older men (are there even older women?) are a nice addition, too. Rowen rocks, iirc, he is 61?

43 : Anonymous2021/03/11 12:50 ID: gqkfxg2

Vesperia too except except 1 or them if we count pathy, but they call raven a old even if he is only is 35 years old

44 : Anonymous2021/03/11 13:37 ID: gqkkgpe

Gonna list the ages of the Berseria cast (under spoilers):

Velvet: 19 (16 in the prologue)

Laphicet: 10 (though he’ll live much longer than that)

Rokurou: game never says, though given that he’s younger than Shigure, I’d say that he’s in his early 20s at the oldest

Eleanor: 18

Eizen: said to already be a thousand years old by this point

Magilou: game never says, but given that her backstory happened forever ago in the lore, she’s clearly using the same oath that Melchior did (and Zestiria indirectly confirms it). She always dances around the question when asked, which leads both Velvet and Eleanor to think that she’s much older than she looks.

45 : Anonymous2021/03/11 17:46 ID: gqlgqjz

Cloud, Tifa, and Aerith all feel like they should be a little older than they are. It's not horribly off though. The remake makes them feel mid-to-late 20s.

Ashe in FF12 is supposed to be 19 and it makes little sense she's had enough time to get married, then widowed, and build up for revenge for what feels like ages. She should be 30 minimal.

46 : Anonymous2021/03/11 08:58 ID: gqjwwuo

i think it's the later FFs (post-SNES era) that the FF characters seem to always be in their teens

in fact i'm not even sure if age is of any importance to the original NES FFs

47 : Anonymous2021/03/11 14:53 ID: gqkt9pe

Nah, outside of like, ff1 and 3, the age of the cast tends to be in their 20's.

48 : Anonymous2021/03/11 07:53 ID: gqjrci8

I like when party members are all close to the same age. It's easy to get past in sprite-based games, since they're all the same height and build anyways, but it's weird to me when there's a very noticeable age difference in 3D JRPGs or games with more detailed sprites. Like why does an old man need to travel with a bunch of teenagers? It kinda hurts the role playing aspect for me

49 : Anonymous2021/03/11 09:07 ID: gqjxp7g

Because we don't become decrepit invalids at 35 especially giant muscle men with gun arms.

50 : Anonymous2021/03/11 14:52 ID: gqkt4zm

Usually to guide the party, and then die at the mid point. They usually explain this well when it happens in games.

51 : Anonymous2021/03/11 16:44 ID: gql8326

Because could you imagine a bunch of whiny teenagers trying to keep it together, let alone save the world without some sort of older adult figure guiding them? They wouldn't get shit done lol.


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