Weekly General Q&A Thread: March 03, 2021

1 : Anonymous2021/03/03 21:00 ID: lx47th
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2 : Anonymous2021/03/05 00:40 ID: gppwo29

Crusade question. When I use a requisite point to purchase a relic but I want a different relic, Can I exchange the relic or does a change cost a other RP? Likewise, if I have to spend another RP, can I give the relic to another model?

ID: gpqn9q0

You can't "exchange" it at all. In Crusade, units have Relics permanently, and it cannot be chsnged. The only way you can even kinda do what you are asking is dropping the unit from your order of Battle, and then adding the same datasheet back: however this would cause the unit to effectively lose all XP, Battle Honors, and other upgrades you have on it; effectively you are "resetting" the unit.

Min/maxing your Order of Battle between games doesn't work well in Crusade; you actually need to plan your upgrades.

ID: gpq6klt

Once a model has been given a relic it cannot be removed or changed.

As per the Order of Battle rules; Once you have added a unit you cannot change any of its details. This means that you cannot change the number of models in that unit, the wargear they are equipped with, or any of the abilities, Warlord Traits, Relics, psychic powers etc. you have chosen for that unit.

The relic requisition confirms this further; This upgrade is permanent to this unit, and cannot be removed or changed.

3 : Anonymous2021/03/05 00:54 ID: gppy9in

What does it mean when someone says they painted something in grimdark style?

ID: gprcm2o

Grimdark painting is a style of painting where everything is dirty, grimey, colours are generally washed out and not vibrant, there's lots of wear and paint chipping etc.

4 : Anonymous2021/03/05 13:12 ID: gprpalg

I only have room for a painting setup in my unfinished basement which has no temperature control, in New England. It gets pretty cold down there (maybe 40 degrees). Is it a bad idea to store/use my paint in there?

ID: gpwzcfz

As long as you yourself are fine down there painting, that shouldn't be an issue. The issues will happen if your paints actually freeze.

5 : Anonymous2021/03/05 23:06 ID: gpttr91

I don't really have time for another hobby right now so I can't handle the tabletop/miniatures aspect, but Warhammer 40k always seemed like a pretty cool sci fi setting and I do have time for books. Where's a good place to start at? There are whole stacks of books and series and different authors. Is there a "main" universe storyline to read for someone who's completely new to the setting?

ID: gpv43a8

If you want to read the Horus Heresy go for it. It's a ton of books though. Maybe read the Siege of Terra books if you don't feel like reading 54 books. They take place near the end of the Horus Heresy and there will "only" be 8 books

ID: gpwxnhw

If you’re looking for the books about the current setting then the new series Dawn of Fire will give you a great place to start. If you’re looking for broader looks at the setting, but not the up-to-date period, then Ciaphas Cain, Gaunts Ghosts and the Eisenhorn books are commonly recommended.

ID: gq0gt31

Check out the Warhammer Horror line. No baggage, just self-contained storylines from all different corners of the grimdank future (and the Mortal Realms).

6 : Anonymous2021/03/06 04:33 ID: gpv70mv

Can I wipe out a unit in my fight phase, consolidate up to 3" towards another enemy unit, and end at the 1" engagement range? If I do, I can't be fired upon on my enemies shooting phase right?

ID: gpw0muj

Correct, unless they Fall Back. However that unit will be able to fight you.

7 : Anonymous2021/03/03 21:27 ID: gpkx6tu

Will the new Warhammer Imperium Magazine be available in the USA? If so how much, and how/when do I sign up?

ID: gpkxle0

Unfortunately, current evidence suggests no.

Neither of the previous partworks, Conquest or Mortal Realms have been made available in the US, so it's likely that this one won't be either.

8 : Anonymous2021/03/04 00:37 ID: gplklvi

Third game and our family wants to start fielding larger armies. I have read the rules and still don't understand how detachments interact.

Let's say I want to field an Incursion force, which allows up to two detachments: one Steel Legion patrol and one Militarum Tempestus patrol, each with their own HQ (company commander and Tempestor Prime, respectively).

Do I add another HQ to command both detachments? Is that the job of the Supreme Command Detachment? If so, which unit is that? I can't find any Astra Militarum units with the keyword Supreme Commander.

Help! 🙂

ID: gplpc91

Detachments are nothing more than a structure in which to organise your units to form a "legal" army. You are not obligated to take any particular detachments, nor a certain amount of detachments. Neither is more important than the other, nor does one have to lead the other.

The closest you get to a "leader" is electing one model to be your warlord, this works the same regardless of how many detachments you have. You'll probably notice that Patrols, battalions and brigades have the command benefit which allows them to refund their CP cost if the warlord is within them - this encourages players to take more rounded and balanced armies rather than flood the board with only one unit type. For this reason most players start off with at least one of these detachments, but you don't have to.

Your codex will give you a number of benefits if all of the units in a detachment are part of the same faction. Typically you'll get bonus traits and abilities (which generally includes granting all troops objective secured), as well access to their stratagems.

The supreme command detachment is unique to certain powerful models - namely primarchs, deamon primachs and supreme commanders - of which most factions don't have.

ID: gpln59t

No. Incursion just refers to the total points/power level of all the units in your army.
You do not need another detachment to "command" them. Just run both detachments and pay the CP cost to field a second one.
You only get 1 warlord though.

Supreme Command Detachments are essentially a CP tax on certain very powerful units to prevent you from building your list in a way that GW thinks is unbalanced.

9 : Anonymous2021/03/04 18:28 ID: gpoiwms

Hey guys,

Just wondering what boxes would someone suggest picking up to start a space wolfs army, that would be some what competitive? I'm looking to pick up the hobby again, haven't had any minis since i sold my dark angels army in 2004 / 2005

Thanks for the help!

ID: gppsmmp

if you're in the UK, there's a case to be made to subscribe to Imperium Magazine to build your army

Otherwise, there's various marine Combat Patrol boxes that represent a decent cost saving. Space Wolves is not the best (since one of the units, reivers is just never used at the moment) but dark angels is pretty decent (blood angels is better raw value but you may not run the vehicle as often as a dread). just swap or ebay the DA transfers and upgrade sprue.

10 : Anonymous2021/03/04 22:19 ID: gppfma0

Hi peeps

So there seems to be some sort of outage of black hobby spray in my town. After some "research" it seems no fancy hobby primer is needed, any black spray will do the job. I just wanted to make sure this is the case. Do you have any experience with this?

ID: gpphpqx

Yep, use any matte black. I personally use Rustoleum Camouflage Black; It's like something on the order of $4 a can and covers great.

ID: gpqe6us

be wary of car auto sprays - some of them are gap filling. Great for fixing scratches, terrible for miniatures.

ID: gpqndt4

Do not get automotive sprays.

11 : Anonymous2021/03/05 18:24 ID: gpstq7u

What’s a good example 500 pt list for World Eaters? I was practically given a bunch of CSM in a Facebook trade, so I figure now is as a good a time as any to jump into 40k.

ID: gq0e1do

Do you mind posting what was in the lot? Not personally a CSM player so I dont know how helpful I can be but I can try to assemble at least a 500 pt list.

12 : Anonymous2021/03/06 07:01 ID: gpvp91x

Do the units in combat patrol boxes come with the same build options as they do if you bought them separately? I can't seem to find this answer by searching online.

ID: gpw0e1u

Yes, they are full multipart kits.

13 : Anonymous2021/03/07 02:39 ID: gq23qqd

So, how does one paint small detailed areas to look great? For example, the design on a Space Marine's chest: when I try to paint it, it ends up looking... not the best.

ID: gq24zzw

There are plenty of videos on youtuve that show how to do detailed areas, especially of space marines, so I'm gonna answer the "hidden" question.

99% of the time when you see a really great paintjob, you aren't seeing the hundreds to thousands of hours that painter has spent getting to the point where muscle memory and fine motor control are on point, or the small little habits they will have that prevent losing control.

Additionally, the tools you use can make a major impact on how well you can do. If you have a $3 brush that doesn't come to a precise point/splays out as soon as it touches something, you're gonna have a different experience than someone who has a $12 brush that is great for details and doesn't splay.

If there is a specific marine chapter you are trying to paint as, I suggest looking it up on youtube, with the Warhammer TV channel being one.that specializes in more "newbie friendly" techniques, while other channels like Xereus Minis, Epic Duck, and Darren Latham going at more detailed examples.

14 : Anonymous2021/03/06 10:02 ID: gpwupdg

Does it really matter if the paint is layer or base?

Edit: layer paints as basecoats?

ID: gpwz0lk

Base paints usually have denser pigmentation, which means they will cover what is underneath in less coats.

Depending on what you are doing, it might not matter, but if you primed your models black, for example, it might take 7-10 coats to get a solid color if you are using a layer paint, rather than 2-3 coats of a base paint.

ID: gpwwatz

Layer paints have worse coverage, you will have to put more coats to cover what's underneath.

ID: gpwy04k

Not really, but layer paints are thinner so don't cover as well. As uch you'll need to use more coats of a layer paint to get a solid base colour.

15 : Anonymous2021/03/06 19:53 ID: gq07fl3

I really want to read Master of Mankind. What should I absolutely read first?

16 : Anonymous2021/03/06 23:40 ID: gq1hfmx

I have a question I'm hoping someone can answer. if im fighting a necron army with c'tan the the nightbringer and he has a "drain life" ability that says an enemy can't use any rules to negate wounds, does that override Abaddon the despoiler's ability where all the damage he takes is halved?

ID: gq20bv7

No, the Nightbringer's ability is very specific about the rules it affects; "cannot use any rules to ignore the wounds it loses". This relates to 'feel no pain' abilities that state something along the lines of; "Each time this model loses a wound, roll a D6; on a roll of X, the model does not lose that wound.

To further clarify, the core rules state that "A model loses one wound for each point of damage it suffers". As such you do not lose a wound until a point of damage is assigned, and in the case of Abaddon the amount of damage is halved, then he will lose the appropriate number of wounds - only at this point would the Drain Life ability come into effect.

17 : Anonymous2021/03/07 04:33 ID: gq2eqmd

My group is hoping to play Crusade once Nurgle stops rampaging and we can get together to play... but we are slow. Likely one matchup ever couple of weeks. So the following scenario seems likely.

What happens to someones Crusade list when a new Codex hits? Is there an established rule?

With Crusade I didn't think you are allowed to change things like relics and upgrades after being given out.

Does everything go out the window and they get to rebuild from scratch? A likely windfall to retune a list.

Or do you force someone to play old codex? That just seems rude.

ID: gq2nd8u

There is no established rule, and is left to each play group how to handle it, and might even be handled on a case-by-case basis.

As an example, I play Deathwatch and every one of my Fortis Kill Teams became illegal as in our 9th edition supplement we can't mix Intercessors and Gravis models anymore. As well, certain relics I was using now work in a completely different fashion

My group gave me the option of being able to "rebuild/swap the unit composition/relics of those units without cost of an RP, as it wasnt my fault that the units are now illegal/work in a completely different fashion.

Meanwhile, a Necron player literally had nothing change besides some PL.

Literally, there is no one-size-fits-all answer, and your group will need to decide on what you all agree is fair in the circumstances

18 : Anonymous2021/03/07 04:48 ID: gq2g33i

Do you get an extra attack for charging? Can I embark a character along with a unit in a transport? Did they get rid of the challenge rule in 9th?

ID: gq2lwol

Only if you have a rule that says you do, like Space Marines' Shock Assault rule.

Despite most transports having the "Dedicated Transport" role, the previous edition's rules that a DT was purchased for a specific unit no longer exists and hasn't for over two editions. You could fill a drop pod with 10 different units if you wanted to. Also, note that a Character is still a unit.

Not sure what you mean by this, but there are no universal rules for "challenges" in the core rulebook, so I'm assuming you're talking about a mechanic from the previous editon.

I would suggest reading the free online core rulebook for 40k, as that would cover most of your questions, and to be frank many rules might have names similar to old rules that you used to know, but actually function completely differently now, such as Look Out, Sir.

19 : Anonymous2021/03/07 07:51 ID: gq2ujuv

I havent played in a couple years and I wanna get back in. Is there anything special I need to be aware of? Any Army recommendations? Hows your day?

ID: gq2zc0o

I mean, you should be aware of the rules? A bit hard to say what you would need to be aware of when it's hard to tell if you're a visual leaner and need to watch youtube overviews if the rules to understand, or if you're fully capable of just reading them and getting them.

Army recommendations, likewise, kinda need to know what you're looking for from a game..

Mostly sunny so far, chance of rain in the afternoon.

20 : Anonymous2021/03/07 15:01 ID: gq3o1hf

Hi All,

returning player here. Started at 2nd edition 🙂 Have to buy a new army from zero couse I had to sell my eldars and dark elves/chaos to buy my first house 🙁

I do like competitive play, but only play with the models I like, so that is not an easy task. As I can see, eldars are not in a competitive place now, with the exception of Harlequins, which faction I do not like. I still teorycrafting a possible viable craftworld list but based on all information I have I prefer to play chaos. I do like the underdogs, pulling out combos the opponent does not really expect. I enjoy playing with undervalued units and make them work.

So, for that reason I consider a MSU obsec and brawler heavy list with a few options to eliminate threats.

I appriciate all advice to help me decide.

So, the army I am looking for is Red Corsairs - cheap obsec with added CP.

batallion (+3CP)


Huron Blackheart

Exalted Champion

Master of Posession


3*5 chaos space marines, astartes chainswords, power claw on the aspiring champion

Dedicated transport: 2 Rhyno with combi-melta

Fast atack:

3* Chaos spaw

3* Chaos spawn


2* Greate posessed

2*Greater posessed

5* Terminator with combi melta, lighting claw

5* Terminator with combi melta, lighting claw

5* Terminator with combi melta, lighting claw

Patrol detachement (+1CP)


1*5 CSM with CC

2* CMs with bolters and lascannon


Chaos lord terminator armor

Chaos Sorcerer Terminator armor (slaanesh)

My concern is that wit that many characters, its an easy secondary for the opponent.

I do think about dropping Greater posessed an addig either a spearhead of iron warrriors with 3 vindicators, or a detachement of Slaanesh demons with Syll’Esske and Infernal Enrapturess that could be a nasty surprise resurrecting models of Chaos spawns and makes them to be able to advace and charge. For the Slaanes detachement its either 3*2 Fiends as a vanguard detachement or a detachement with FA (more chaos spawns).

I would like to go fir mid points hard, and punish enemy charges there with counter charges.

The idea here is that both Greater posessed and spawns need dedicated attention to remove, especially when buffed with strategems/characters. That let me enough time to finish enemy threats with the terminators. I also consider pure melee terminators, with 2 lighting claws they are cheap and can remove most threats.

I prefer MSU but with the Slaanesh strategem, I think even a total of 10 Melta shots will destroy all threats, so 5 men terminator squads are better then 2 blob of 10.

Yes, there is no Veterans of the long War but both terminators and Greater posessed can adnvance and charge, while exalted champ helps with wounding for the spawns (terminatosrs reroll wounds, so no need to help here ).

Please let me know your opinion and advise.

THX in advance for the help

21 : Anonymous2021/03/07 19:40 ID: gq4nuf8

so I wanted to make a necron holding a teddy bear and coffee mug but I don't know where to find a teddy bear or mug that are small enough, can someone give me some advice

ID: gq55234

Miniatures for a dollhouse are probably your best bet, i'm no expert in their scales though so you'll obviously want to make sure of the sizes. Probably tons of dollhouse tea-sets available, a teddy might be trickier to find but there's bound to be one somewhere. Plenty of sellers on marketplaces like ebay and etsy for this sort of stuff.

Another option is to find accessories for small toys. I've no idea what stuff is around for kids these days but i'm pretty sure polly pocket is still going and accessories for that and other similar toys will be absolutely tiny. There's a tiny teddy in this set for instance.

Of course, you can always sculpt something with green stuff.

22 : Anonymous2021/03/08 00:45 ID: gq5reyp

I just got into the hobby in December, and I love the game itself (models and lore) and I've since amassed a pretty large Necron force (thank you quarantine) but I just got my codex in the mail and noticed none of the forge world models are included in it. And it got me thinking... the little info sheets that are included as part of the assembly instructions don't even have the units abilities included and GW for some reason doesn't make this stuff available online. Seems really cruddy and cheap considering I just spend 50$ plus tax on a small picture book. I'm curious also if people buy multiple codex's. I am very unimpressed by what I've received and can't imagine buying another, even though I am definitely planning on buying more models and getting into more factions.

I am just genuinely surprised they don't have this stuff all easily accessible online and would be very interested to know how people who have been into Warhammer for some time feel about this.

ID: gq6ef0s

Welcome to the hobby, all the rest of us hate that sort of thing too. Your best bet is to use BattleScribe (an army building app) that more or less contains point costs and detailed rules for all models.

ID: gq6gk1r

Imagine, if you will, that instead of having a single codex for Necrons, you have a "General" Necrons Codex, and THEN on top of THAT, if you want to play a specific Dynasty, you'd need to get a Necron Dynasty Supplement, which might be $30 for just a single Dynasty specific datasheet and a few rules.

Congratulations, that's what Space Marines Players are expected to do (Space Marines Codex only has "general" units, all the Chapter-specific units and rules are each in their own Supplement).

Now, in FAIRNESS, the info sheets that come with the units have had issues, as if GW changes how the abilities work/the rules for that unit, they then need to re-package the unit, plus then all the units already in circulation past their hands suddenly have out-of-date rules that people get angry about when they buy from a third-party store rather than GW, and the new simplified datasheet means that instead of spending 12 pages of writing the rules in 12 different languages for a unit, they can just print a single page with picture icons and it works worldwide.

However, yes, many people are dissatisfied with the way Games Workshop handles their rules via physical Codex releases; the fact that they are so reliant on them means that we have situations like we have currently where Chaos marines are down a wound vs their Loyalist counterparts for no real reason other than the fact that they are keeping that update with the CSM codex so people have a reason to buy it.

And having obtained the 7th, 8th, and 9th edition Deathwatch codices, I'm also unimpressed by how much of the information in the books is effectively recycled; not just the artwork, but also the lore, stories, and other aspects of the book.

That being said, there is unfortunately a shockingly large portion of the hobby that gets SUPER PISSED at the idea of Games Workshop going to an all-digital rules system that is used like *checks* every single other major wargame like Warmachine/Hordes, Infinity, etc. I honestly don't get it, but there are people who will rant and rave how they ton't want to have anything besides physical books. And that's not MENTIONING the people who get pissed off that they couldn't buy their Limited Edition version that will be out of date just as fast as a regular version, but costs 3x as much.

To a point, I get the codex release structure, as PART of the reason they cordon off updates to each faction is to make sure there is foot traffic into 3rd party stores that make the majority of their sales, which they do by guaranteeing they have a new product release (pre-covid) every week.

But yes, the Codex system they use for rules is exploitative, and more and more we are seeing people simply refusing to purchase them as there are other viable ways of getting the rules.

23 : Anonymous2021/03/08 00:52 ID: gq5s7zu

Super random but is the Vallejo German Grey the same pigment (or at least close enough) as the Vallejo Panzer Grey spray on?

24 : Anonymous2021/03/08 02:05 ID: gq60340

Anyone know where I can go to commission a 5 man squad for kill team?

ID: gq60zol
25 : Anonymous2021/03/08 04:19 ID: gq6e2rw

I have a question about battlescribe. Are the weapons, upgrades, and relics that it says a unit can take accurate. I mainly wonder this because the models I have bought don't come with some of the weapons that it says the unit can use.

ID: gq6eu2a

In GENERAL, yes, Battlescribe is accurate with what wargear a unit can take, though it CAN sometimes have mistakes; however, since most people who spot mistakes will send bug reports to the data authors, there typically aren't GLARING issues unless the faction isn't heavily played (and therefore mistakes will persist longer). It would help if you mentioned which kit you're referring to.

But many kits, especially non-Primaris Space Marines kits, have many more weapons options than are on the sprues that the unit comes with, due to GW's previous policy of just allowing most wargear willy-nilly and expecting people to buy multiple kits/upgrade packs in order to convert the units (a policy that kinda got a damper put on it due to the legal issues brought up in GW PLC vs Chapterhouse Games)

Games Workshop, since the lawsuit, has TRENDED towards units only being able to equip what comes in the box for them, however there are a vast majority of older players who have equipped their models with previously-legal wargear options not in the box, and they basically have to do a balancing act of "don't piss off the old-timers by making all their models invalid" and "move towards having our models be more standard with what just comes in the box".

26 : Anonymous2021/03/08 07:51 ID: gq6ugi7

So I've been wanting to start an army for a while and realized that what I've been grabbing for playing things like dark heresy gives me a pretty nice start for a Renegades and Heretics army. I'm very new to the wargame part of this hobby and was wondering what books I'd need for the army as I'm not finding a simple beginner friendly explanation online for what I'm looking for.

ID: gq7468d

The simplest beginner friendly explanation is: that army doesn't exist anymore, and it's really a waste of time to try to play it as the vast majority of people you are likely to play will consider it an illegal army. Quite honestly, you're better off playing them as regular Imperial Guard that just have "wink wink nudge nudge" chaos Iconography on their tanks for some odd reason (I.e. cosmetically are H&R, but on the table are played as standard Guard)


Games Workshop has, in recent years, launched a "Legends" program, which means some they will still peovide rules for specific units, however Legends units are not recommended for Organized Play. Essentially, it's a program of "we're gonna give these things rules so people don't complain that the units 'dont exist' anymore, but we're not including them in balance passes."

For the most part, nearly all of Legends datasheets are units that either havent had models that GW sells, or, like the vast majority of the Renegades and Heretics datasheets, have NEVER had an official model.

Additionally, while GW only discourages Legends datasheets from organized play/tournaments, the VAST majority of the player base takes this as a de-facto ban list, as the units don't get points updates and will only be considered for FAQ once per edition, if even that often. So, unless you confirm with anyone you are playing beforehand that they are okay with Legends, you can expect people to not play you because your army might be considered "banned" by your local player group.

On top of all of THAT, even if you WERE to use Renegades and Heretics rules, even the rules they had in 8th edition was basically "Guardsmen without any of Regimental rules, orders, Stratagems, or units that make Astra Militarum good". Literally, playing Renegades and Heretics is basically "I'm playing Astra Militarum without any special rules, sacrificing 1/3 of my units to do it."

They USED to be good in 8th as a way to gain command points for the REST of a Chaos army, but how that Command Points isn't tied to how many TROOP units you can throw into your army, Renegades and Heretics are actually DETRIMENTAL to Chaos armies as it COSTS command points to add them to a Chaos army.

27 : Anonymous2021/03/07 21:33 ID: gq540tg

Why are the starter sets these days space marines vs necrons? What happened to Orks?

Also is there a market for terribly painted Necrons from 2002-2004?

ID: gq54qo7

Orks haven't been in a starter set since 5th Edition ended in 2012.

The current starter sets are Marines vs Necrons because Necrons are the poster boy bad guys for 9th Edition.

During 8th Edition it was Death Guard, 6th and 7th both had regular Chaos Space Marines.

As Necron minis are included in all the current starter sets, the market is flooded with cheap, new on sprue options so badly painted minis are going to be very hard to shift.

28 : Anonymous2021/03/06 19:01 ID: gpzxuca

So I’m thinking of making a custodian army, will people be annoyed or not play with me if I use a god emperor model as trajaan valoris?

ID: gq0uagt

if I use a god emperor model

There are no models of the Emperor. Which model do you mean exactly?

29 : Anonymous2021/03/03 22:52 ID: gpl8g1d

Has anyone else tried using a swiss army knife's small scissors for cutting out sprues? I'm trying one on my Tyranid broodlord sprue with mixed results: I managed to get a few pieces off, but others it struggles to remove, with the blade that goes up leaving white marks on some pieces (which I can assume I can just paint over).

ID: gplaqn3

It's technically possible as you've found, but not really ideal.

Get yourself a toolkit for gundam modellers from Amazon like this one. The clippers and proper knife will give much better results.

30 : Anonymous2021/03/04 02:20 ID: gplw20v

I'm new to 40k and I bought an indomtis box recently and am really enjoying putting everything together. I'm thinking about picking up my local shop's last one to make two 2000 point armies so myself and my girlfriend can play, and with any other friends I can rope into it.

Would two boxes be good to have to make this size of an army? I've read some posts in the past and though it seems like you won't use some units, like the captain, twice is it reasonable to use the intercessors and warriors twice in a large army?

Thanks for any input!

ID: gpmjnve

Realistically, making two armies of double-Indomitus would heavily favor the Space Marine side, as having two units of Eradicators and outriders will vastly outperform the extra benefits of the double units for Necrons; in addition to that, the Necron HQs will be much more redundant than on the Space Marine side, while the Marine side can easily cover the ENTIRE army with the Tempormortis ability.

If you use the boxes to get access to more non-HQs fairly cheaply and sell of the extra HQs you will have or whatever, yeah, sure it will be a decent purchase, but running the whole box contents twice leads to some very, very lopsided games.

ID: gplwvm8

a lot of the characters will be duplicative and not used in a 2000 point game (especially some of the Necron ones that aren't all the best).

You could start games with what you've got, and then expand into other Necron/Marine options based on what feel like the army is missing or just units you guys think look cool. Having numerous different units will offer more varied play style.

31 : Anonymous2021/03/04 06:20 ID: gpmkmyj

Im a lurking but deciding to pull the money trigger soon. I’m trying to get the most up to date product. I was thinking of picking up a indomitus box which has the current rules and two big army’s rather than the starter box command edition box. Now that I see a new “kill team” box came out would it be best to skip that or get as well

ID: gpmuse7

The thing you don't seem to realize is Kill Team is a completely different skirmish game, that doesn't share the rules of mainline 40k: it's a separate game in the same universe that just happens to be able to use 40k miniatures.

So for nearly $200, you get 12 models, and a bunch of scatter terrain that is only good for a SEPARATE game than 40k

For the price you pay, you can get MANY more models that are more useful to an army

ID: gpmljr5

Skip it. It's not a starter set and a bad deal.

32 : Anonymous2021/03/04 13:50 ID: gpnhjz3

Lost my chaos daemons codex about a year ago, been using the online thing for a while now, and want to get a new codex. DO I: get the 8th one that’s available now where when the new one comes out it will become obsolete, or do I potentially have to wait months and months for the new one, saving money in the long run but wasting my time not knowing when it’s going to be released.

ID: gpojlhi

We don't have any release dates for codices beyond the Drukhari one at the end of the month, unfortunately. If you're just playing beerhammer and your group is cool with it, it shouldn't be an issue to scrounge the rules from online. But if you're playing pickup games against people you might not necessarily know, or in tournaments, then you should definitely have the codex on hand to answer any questions that might come up.

33 : Anonymous2021/03/04 16:55 ID: gpo5q6p

Hey guys, I recently got back into the hobby after a very long break,. I have been reading all the rules and there is a small tournament in my area and I was going to play. What do you guys think of my list:

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Raven Guard) [24 PL, 2CP, 500pts] ++

+ Configuration +

***Chapter Selection:* Born Heroes , Raven Guard Successor, Whirlwind of Rage

Battle Size [3CP]: 1. Combat Patrol (0-50 Total PL / 0-500 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Gametype: Matched

+ HQ +

Primaris Chapter Master : Chapter Command: Chapter Master, Master of Ambush, Stratagem: Master of the Trifold Path, Swift and Deadly, Warlord

. Heavy bolt pistol, Master-crafted power sword and Relic shield: Master-crafted power sword, Relic Shield

+ Troops +

*Tactical Squad *

. 3x Space Marine: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades

. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Power sword

. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher

+ Elites +

*Bladeguard Veteran Squad *

. 2x Bladeguard Veteran: 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 2x Master-crafted power sword, 2x Storm Shield

. Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant: Neo-volkite pistol

+ Heavy Support +

Eradicator Squad [7 PL, 135pts]: Melta rifle

. 2x Eradicator: 2x Bolt pistol

. Eradicator Sgt

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ID: gpobsj7

You don't have any unit that would need chapter master rerolls, Master of Ambush is rather redundant with Swift and Deadly on the same character and missile launcher is meh. Also you don't have any relic.

I'd drop the chapter master upgrade and use the points to add another BGV model and change tacticals to Intercessors with grenade launcher and power fist. Then for the Captain I'd use an offensive trait like Imperium's Sword instead of Swift and Deadly and maybe Armour Indomitus for the relic, though Burning Blade would also be a good choice to get that S8 on the charge.

34 : Anonymous2021/03/05 02:35 ID: gpq9y5j

Do you need to thin metallic GW paints? And if you do what do you use to thin them?


ID: gpqe197

many metallic paints are really thick, but realistically can't be thinned much without the shiny bits separating from the rest of the paint.

You can thin with water, but you shouldn't thin more than 3 drops paint + 1 drop water, it gets a bit iffy beyond that.

Personally, I switched to Vallejo Metal Color paints, which are airbrush-ready so they're already thin enough for brush work. Plus they're way more shiny than citadel paints (and the old vallejo metallics)

ID: gpql6pl

Yes, you need to thin them.

Water works just fine with all GW paints.

ID: gpstok0

I prefer using Lahmian Medium to thin GW metallics. Water causes them to separate too much for IMHO.

But as another user pointed out, I also try to use Vallejo Metal Color line of metalics whenever possible. They are great right out of the bottle. Use them for both brushwork and airbrush.

35 : Anonymous2021/03/05 10:12 ID: gprbqdm

So im making a color scheme for my army, my main color is purple, are there any good citadel purples? ( base,layers,no shades)

ID: gprpa2r

Many. I suggest going through the citadel paint app to see them all.

ID: gpwnggy

Why no shades? Carroburg Crimson shade is fantastic, useable for a ton of stuff.

ID: gpv4tkt

Not Citadel, but I use Vallejo Heavy Violet and Royal Purple for my Soul Drinkers

36 : Anonymous2021/03/05 12:04 ID: gprjd8i

While playing crusade as dark angels; do I have access to all the space marines stratagems and dark angels stratagems or do I have to select some number of them? I do know that some that upgrade units are limited by crusade rules.

ID: gprp7wp

If you mean their Crusade Requisitions, you have access to both the Space Marine Requisitions and the DA Supplement Requisitions.

Due to how Crusade works, technically ALL IMPERIUM players have access to all Requisitions of any IMPERIUM faction.

Access to Stratagems is based on a per-game basis, depending on what Detachments you have.


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