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Because it’s our unfortunate reality
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You were supposed to destroy games that are released unfinished,
not join them!
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Devs don't decide what is or isn't done later. Product People decide this based upon priorities of the business.
It's put into the backlog so that it gets captured and has visibility to the decision makers.
The business then looks at what the fix will take in relation to what the fix gives back in value to the business and customer. IE lots of effort but gives back very little? Don't do it. Little effort but more impacting or drives the product closer to a future milestone, probably will be worked on.
Devs are people that inform the decision makers but they themselves do not decide what they work on next.
ID: gyfvliiThis guy agiles
ID: gyg67pqteach it to companies, and have been product manager and product owner. We like games too, and we all aren't evil the "business" n' all.
ID: gygn181This guy argyles
ID: gyg4rbzAs a product person - yeah, it's probably a product or a project person's fault. We suck.
ID: gygqx5zThat's why I want my job title switched from "Senior Product Manager" to "Director of N.O." (N.O. = "No, Obviously")
ID: gyg6chfwell...I mean..we can but as you know it's often above us also. 🙁
ID: gygcsavIt might be worth adding that not every shop is run like this, but you’re correct. Most shops nowadays use AGILE. Much to Dave Thomas’s horror but alas.
ID: gyghfatyeah, just call it "Agile"- just like if you run into someone that calls it "SCRUM" or worse yet, "S.C.R.U.M." - not a good look.
I wish that Agile software methods weren't called "Agile". I wish that the whole mechanic around how to do this had some abstract name like IKI-20 or something. the fact that the word "Agile" means something to people, regardless of their knowledge about software allows entirely too much misunderstanding and abuse which is baked right into the word having a subjective meaning vs it being a term of art within an industry.
The amount of the word "Agile" being abused to support shoddy decisions made quickly and the idea that people need to work faster , is massive in the industry. At least if it was an abstraction then it can have a definitive meaning vs. people being able to say "we're agile" and distorting the truth.
ID: gyg3syxThis guy gets it
ID: gyg69nfDude I'm a product manager and trust me, I know. But it's a meme, chill.
ID: gyg6nwoIt's a massive misunderstanding though - "devs". My teams would do everything they could to not release crap. Their name is on it. I've never met a good developer that was ok with releasing bad work.
Yet, it's the devs that get nothing but shit on all these gaming forums. I feel bad for them, for the teams that actually do the work.
ID: gyhymwwHey look! Agile!
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Why was this meme so disgustingly good?
ID: gyh31rwBecause it fits perfectly to the situation we’re in with this game..
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Is this game dead yet? Haven't been on in 2 weeks now and I'm honestly curious. If you guys are still playing, has there been a patch to fix the first patch yet? Are things still as bad as they were after that first patch?
Edit: spelling.
ID: gyg0178There hasn't been a patch since the last one and the matchmaking is garbage
ID: gyg5isoThere hasn't been a patch since the last one
Dear lord, no...
ID: gyg0g3lThey pushed a server side patch to address a bunch of log in issues on Thursday, no mitigation patch yet though 🙁
ID: gyi4u3uStopped playing two weeks ago, too. Just here to see the end of the soap.
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Reminds me of Anthem.
ID: gyh1k1qThe anthem story is becoming too common these days
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In my world we say ... P2 it.
ID: gyglzofif P2 in your world is backlog.. I honestly pity you. There shouldn't be more than 1 P1 task on a person at the same time.
ID: gygmdnlSo you're saying you DONT live in perpetual crunch?
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Though it is likely the suits making decisions, the devs are not blameless. They have shown a serious lack of experience. The teams have broken as much as they have fixed, and that is not excusable.
My take away from this is to never buy a PCF game again. I won't support this type of dumpster fire, and they don't deserve the money they got.
ID: gygybbsYour correct.. and it sucks cause I really wanna enjoy this game
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I can just feel the aura of a ticking clock on this game.
ID: gyfwm2q5200 people on steam ATM.
ID: gyfwu1vAww look, it's the random redditor who doesn't take the time to understand the context of a post! Hello little one!
ID: gyi8jvxwhich really means nothing since the game isn't just on steam and that doesn't count crossplay.
ID: gyfwy2iYeah, dropped it to ice and will see if they will turn it around.
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that moment when the pants drop and shit gets real...
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“You’re suppose to fix the problems not joining them!!”
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Its the suits, not the devs.
ID: gyg0u87False. They have a team for post launch maintenance, two teams in fact because one of them works on balance changes which can be pushed through during maintenance windows server side, where the other is in charge of fixing bugs which need patched.
ID: gyg2eptNo, actually correct.
Developers do not choose what they work on. That's now how software development works any more and hasn't really for years.
Product / Program managers pick and choose what devs work on and out it into the back log. As a dev you're just grabbing whatever is at the top of the backlog and working it till completion.
ID: gygsw1wIn what world one person is a team?
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This community has gone to shit. A large amount of top posts are people insulting the devs directly, which is way too far. These people worked hard to make a game, slaved over it for years. I 100% guarantee you it's not the developer's fault or QA, it's all the higher up's fault. The "senior devs" aren't calling the shots either. The product managers are. You think the devs don't know the game had bugs, or that there were issues with the patches? They're being rushed and put under crunch trying to fix the game ASAP and it's backfiring as expected.
ID: gygq7wrHere’s were I disagree. It’s the entire company’s fault. Devs included. The game had a great idea but was implemented poorly. Each fix breaks more. The UI design sucks. The HUD design sucks. The map sucks. The gear design sucks. It’s the entire company’s fault. So one can critique both the devs and the leads etc, but it’s all PCF.
ID: gyg6ebdDamn. You guys still making excuses here huh. Welp, keep that hope alive lol
ID: gyg7jo8No excuses here. Criticize the game all you want. The game launched in an abysmal state, and has only marginally improved. My point is that the devs aren't at fault, and insulting them makes you an asshole. You're kicking someone while they're down. 99% of the problems this game has are all up to the project leads, managers, and producers. The devs are just doing what they tell them to. The devs knew the game and the patches weren't ready, but higher ups pushed it. The devs don't get to call the shots despite being some of the most passionate, hard working people in the industry.
ID: gygtiwcI don't know if any one told it to you yet but you have developers dick in your mouth.
Game is in such terrible state that everyone, janitor included should be injected with amphetamine and work their asses until it is fixed. But no, they are staring for 2 weeks at one bug and are proud of it.
I honestly don't know if should I laugh or cry because of it.ID: gyh3f6iYou're blatantly ignorant, and either don't understand, or are choosing to ignore the point of my comments.
ID: gyi8naothey're the ones that make it and fix it, so yeah. I'll let them all blowbang me at once if I have too.
ID: gyg8b7nJust so it’s clear.. I enjoy this game.. a lot actually.. when it works.. which has been a problem for me.. issues connecting, dash boarding, quest tracking sending me in the wrong direction, doors locked that should be unlocked, mods not working, and on and on, it sucks.. I convinced 2 friends to buy this game and there was so much hype and the bones of this seem awesome..
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So we can sit on our hands and stare at it for looong looong time....
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Devs promised to fix the aiming on consoles LUL
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