Lucid Games, devs who made Destruction All-Stars, are rumored to be working on Twisted Metal

1 : Anonymous2021/09/29 21:42 ID: py5f0t
Lucid Games, devs who made Destruction All-Stars, are rumored to be working on Twisted Metal
2 : Anonymous2021/09/29 22:13 ID: hes1e29

I feel like it could be good. The actual gameplay and tech behind DA is good. The driving felt good, the on foot was surprisingly good, and the game looked/played great (aside from ghost hits). Hitting someone always felt satisfying and like it had weight behind it.

The issue of the game was the devs had zero idea how to make a GaaS. There’s been pretty much no new content since the game launched. There’s also no progression which is important in a GaaS. The game doesn’t give you a reason to keep playing. There’s no levels really, not much to earn, shit skins, and useless emotes. It’s like they spent 90% of their time making the actual game and then forgot they had to give people a reason to keep playing it.

They also didn’t understand how to deal with the abilities; they didn’t know how to design them or balance them. It didn’t make sense in a game about destroying cars to have abilities they didn’t even damage a car, especially next to abilities that can literally one shot.

If they can realize why DA was a dud, I think they could make a good game. They just need to understand that people need a reason to play aside from just good gameplay these days. And they need to understand better how people will play their game.

Edit: Also, the maps were too big. Smaller (and more varied) maps would go a long way to making Destruction All Stars better. I’m honestly shocked they never decreased the size of them, it’s been a complaint since week one pretty much.

ID: hesb797

All of this is perfectly stated.

Once I got past the tutorials, I proceeded to get my ass handed to me in actual competitive multiplayer a few times, making very minor level progress. Then I looked ahead at what I was striving to unlock and decided it wasn’t worth the time investment.

At least in Fortnite (for example) if I get wrecked I probably did something that will get me closer to looking like Wolverine or something. Which makes me then want to go right into the next match.

ID: hesba0i

It didn't fail because of a lack of content. It failed because of the shallow and repetitive gameplay loop. Driving around in circles crashing into other cars is only fun for so long. The game was never going to succeed without completely reworking it.

ID: hesc9pu

Actually gaas is fairly easy the problem is they sold everything at the same time, and it's just soulless like that.

They needed to offer one game mode at launch and maybe a new game mode 1-2x a year.

They made the game feel pretty empty like this, it was too much of a cash grab. I had high hopes it was by far my favorite upcoming PS5 trailer.

I think combat racing is still exciting, and they had an opportunity for players to customize cars & skins how they choose so that we would have a greater attachment to unique combinations.

It's like a gladiator game right now which is very cool there is only one other gladiator game that is incredibly addicting, Darwin Project. Instead of game modes Darwin Project has inspired a rotating environment arena so that the map is often different but still has the same set pieces. They also use event modifiers thought a match so that the core gameplay stays intact, avoiding the needless separation/division that game modes bring to the community.

However maybe the arena should have been larger and they could have had people get out of their cars to pick up scraps and build up cars this way.

3 : Anonymous2021/09/29 22:14 ID: hes1i3e

Don't mind this at all. Destruction All Stars was a crappy concept but it was pretty well executed.

ID: hesaehh

Whoever green lit that game in concept form was an idiot. How could you think that idea would entertain anyone beyond a short period of time, if at all?

4 : Anonymous2021/09/29 23:13 ID: hes91i2

Any picture of GRUBB I automatically see smell lines coming off him.

5 : Anonymous2021/09/29 23:00 ID: hes7dwl

I AM ALL IN feel they have the physics and gameplay but need weapons and others because right now the game is way too focused on chasing and not hitting anything for too long. Would not even mind the on foot section and having objective that way and waiting for your car to respawn.

6 : Anonymous2021/09/29 22:44 ID: hes5ame

They should have just made Twisted Metal instead of Destruction All Stars

7 : Anonymous2021/09/29 23:43 ID: hescriv

I always thought Destruction All Stars would have worked better as a car combat arena in the form of the old Twisted Metal games.

Fingers crossed that they pull off the successful return of Sweet Tooth.

PS. About Destruction All Stars: Never understood why Sony/Lucid haven't used any PS characters. You'd think Sony has enough mascotas to fill the game.

8 : Anonymous2021/09/29 22:27 ID: hes35d5

This is discouraging. While it hasn't been relevant in a long while, Twisted Metal is extremely important to the Playstation brand; and only Sony's best studios should even be allowed to handle the franchise. One more lackluster TM game could sink the series into permanent obscurity.

I desperately want vehicular combat to make a triumphant return this generation.

Edit: Keep that shit dark, violent, and disturbing. Zero comedy, no tongue-in-cheek silliness. Use TM:Black as the template, nothing else.

ID: hes4kc1

Twisted Metal 2 I think had a pretty good dark atmosphere, I just think that the hardware it was working with sometimes took away from that

ID: hes5mpy

I have no issues with TM2, though I haven't played it since it was popular.

ID: hes4555

Sony's best studios should even be allowed to handle the franchise.

what studio does Sony have that dont make 3rd Person narrative driven games.

ID: hes4kwj

Found the person who doesn’t play Sony games.

ID: hes4h6z

Polyphony, housemarque, fire sprite, MM are the big ones that come to my mind. Probably a few more

9 : Anonymous2021/09/29 21:53 ID: herypbi


ID: hes0ntt

Yeah and VGC are also reporting that it's gonna have a "free-to-play" model.......

ID: hes4iqp

It’s a more niche multiplayer game, F2P makes perfect sense. Very few games can survive being a paid multiplayer game, especially if they aren’t a major franchise. And twisted metal really isn’t, not anymore at least.

ID: herztdz

More shit emotes and Fortnite styling coming your way.

10 : Anonymous2021/09/29 21:54 ID: heryxee

Sucks they didn't get someone better to make it.. destruction all Stars was terrible

ID: hes24jm

Every company has made a crappy game in their history but it dosen't mean they can't bounce back. It's not like destruction all stars was unplayable or anything, it just needed a little more time in the oven to bake truthfully.

I have faith that they can take what they learned from destruction all stars and implement it in twisted metal.

ID: hes2xsq

Naughty dog?

ID: hes73zh

and the desync even worst.

11 : Anonymous2021/09/29 21:55 ID: herz1vc

To go with the new show, duh. It's all coming together. Twisted Metal Cinematic Universe. I can't wait for the Vigilante 8 spin-off movie.

ID: hes6t4u

I can't imagine what plot Twisted Metal the show will have. It was a great game, but I have no idea how anyone can make a TV series out of it.

ID: hesbfi7

Maybe do like a mini series? Something along the length of Netflix’s Castlevania length for seasons (8 episodes @ 30min). Have it follow a driver who has a wish for calypso and how it inevitably turns out twisted. Do like 3 or 4 seasons with a new character in each.

12 : Anonymous2021/09/29 22:43 ID: hes55aa

Rather have the team who made Wreckfest on it; Bugbear

13 : Anonymous2021/09/29 22:09 ID: hes0si6

Honestly thought they'd be a way better fit for Destruction Derby given what I've seen of the game and heard from the developers. Might have to wait on some footage

14 : Anonymous2021/09/29 23:43 ID: hescssg

This coming from Jeff I won't hold my breath but its exactly what everyone wanted.

15 : Anonymous2021/09/29 22:00 ID: herzpv1

I’m terrified at the possibility of what a new twisted metal will look like by them.

I can already seen them just making it DAS 2 with a twisted metal skin over it and it completely bombing again. Hopefully it’s just a straight forward, back to its roots type of game and not some fortnite/rocket league-looking, “wacky” character trend chasing shit like their last game

One person with knowledge of Lucid’s plans suggested that the revival would be built around a free-to-play model, partly in response to Destruction All-Stars’ last-minute transition from a premium game to a PlayStation Plus title.

I just lost any hope I had for this game

ID: hes4abq

Impressive that people actually believe that a new $70 Twisted Metal would sell well these days. If it's a game focused on multiplayer, it NEEDS to be F2P, and that alone doesn't confirm a good lifespan for the game. It needs to be released on PC and maybe smartphones as well.

ID: hes566t

lol they’d be insane to charge $70, a game like twisted metal would never have enough content to justify it on top of the battlepass and other micro transactions They’d try to squeeze in. It doesn’t mean it has to go free-to-play either given Sony has a pretty shitty track record with games like that in the past

16 : Anonymous2021/09/29 21:44 ID: herxicr

There is no need for a Twisted Metal game in the 2020s.

ID: herxzkj

Wdym, there's a severe lack of arcade racing games. Iirc, the last era it was widely prominent was during PS2 times.

ID: herzcm1

Twisted Metal isn't an arcade racer it's car combat. As for arcade racers Crus'n Blast and Hot Wheel Unleashed both released in the last month.

ID: herxnjg


17 : Anonymous2021/09/29 22:17 ID: hes1tss

Lucid are one for one for me. Destruction All-stars was garbage, buy Geometry Wars 3 was fucking great.

18 : Anonymous2021/09/29 22:56 ID: hes6vbg

Oof, i hope the netcode is better than the one for Destruction All-Stars... The desync was so damn bad being hit with no car around or trying to hit a car and not registering cause that car wasnt even there in reality was pretty damn bad. All went to shit even more when they closed the NA servers to let us go have more desync issues on EU servers


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