Do you think 3D V cache will make it to Zen 3 Ryzen 5 and 7 lineup?

1 : Anonymous2021/11/06 16:46 ID: qo464y

Or will they not do anything to the Ryzen 5 and 7 beyond potential price cuts/introducing non X skus until late 2022 with zen 4?

2 : Anonymous2021/11/06 17:10 ID: hjkl0nd

I think it makes most sense for AMD to release a full lineup, especially now that Alder Lake is out and is competitive. If AMD doesn't release Ryzen 5 and 7, it has a 5800X competing with the 12600K and a 5600X competing with more budget options (older gens). If it releases 3D variants, it can sell them for higher prices because they will likely outclass Alder Lake for games.

(Of course, production is also more costly, but I think that it will still end up netting AMD more money, as well as being better for its image.)

ID: hjm36pk

probably not. Lisa Su said it's for "highest-end product".

3 : Anonymous2021/11/06 18:54 ID: hjkzimr

I'd expect dual-CCD SKUs initially. The v-cache chips will probably mostly be rejects from the Epyc line, so much will depend on yields.

4 : Anonymous2021/11/06 16:53 ID: hjkil6l

From amd's message it feels like nah but nothing's confirmed. It'd depend on the cost and capacity of packaging

ID: hjkjv4l

I wonder if they will be willing to bite into some of their margins to maintain their hard earned presence in the mainstream level of DIY pc market. They aren’t like intel where they can just ship loads of cpus into prebuilds regardless of anything

ID: hjknpd1

We've got no numbers on vcache yields or costs, kinda tough to tell. They can't do vcache on lower skus if they ain't got the packaging capacity anyway. The stacked sram increases wafer area by 40-45%, it ain't cheap

Sapphire rapids is gonna go into production q1, probably volume availability by q2. Datacenter's probably the more competitive market for amd rn

ID: hjljwr9

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As long as they're selling everything they can make I don't see why they'd waste precious foundry capacity on lower end products (other than fulfilling OEM contracts and such). Might as well make data center chips and other expensive products if they can't even fulfill the demand for those with their current capacity.

Again and again I see this notion that the DIY PC builder market is important to Intel and AMD. I don't understand why people keep saying this year after year when the enterprise market is multiple times the size of the PC builder niche and massively more profitable.

5 : Anonymous2021/11/06 18:36 ID: hjkx1ds

I'm only expecting 12 and 16 core Zen3D chips.

6 : Anonymous2021/11/06 18:31 ID: hjkwf28

If AMD will sell 6900X (2 x 6 core V-cache) for 600 or less, then they will most likely sell 6600X (1 x 6 core V-cache) for 300 or less.

not ryzen 3 though, there's no 5300X, and there won't be

7 : Anonymous2021/11/06 18:03 ID: hjksm5p

They said it will come to "high end" Zen3 CPUs, so I really doubt it will come to Ryzen 5 or even Ryzen 7, imo it will be halo products so 5900X 3D and 5950X 3D

Tho I hope I am wrong and they bring it to Ryzen 5, and hopefully with a pricecut, something like a 220$ 5600X 3D would be nice, but let's be honest I really really doubt it will happen

ID: hjl25e2

They said it will come to "high end" Zen3 CPUs,

Do you have a link to that statement from AMD?

8 : Anonymous2021/11/06 19:52 ID: hjl7i4i

It's only coming for the 5900 and 5950X when it does.

9 : Anonymous2021/11/06 23:07 ID: hjlxlch

I thought we already knew they are updating Zen 3 with 3D Vcache

10 : Anonymous2021/11/06 17:45 ID: hjkq3ws

If they can afford to sell regular 5950x for 550, 5900x for 400, 5800x for 300 and 5600x for 200, putting only 3d cache on a 5950x for 650, maybe.


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