Afraid of buying R9 5900X

1 : Anonymous2021/11/23 19:59 ID: r0lrzf


I've been an Intel guy for years (because they were better for gaming purposes at that time) but since Ryzens came out I wanted to make a build with one. I think AMD did very good job over the years of developing Ryzen CPU's.
The time has come to upgrade my current build and I want to go for R9 5900X but I'm a bit afraid of stability issues (like USB shit/radom crashes) and/or overheating. Are any of theese issues fixed with BIOS updates? Any first steps I should do after building my new Ryzen rig? Should I go with AIO on 5900X or my good ol' beQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4 will be fine? So many questions...

Things I have right now:
Motherboard: MSI B550 Tomahawk - I've read it has pretty good VRMs and build quality (+ I dont need more extra features from X570, just good quality basics)
CPU Cooler: beQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4
PSU: Corsair RM750x
RAM: 2x 16GB GoodRAM IRDM PRO 3600Mhz CL18 18-22-22 - theese prob aren't too good but I've got theese for free so... I hope they will work fine
Case: beQuiet Silent base 802

2 : Anonymous2021/11/23 20:31 ID: hlt9hxu

And currently runs a fair bit cooler than intel, so overheating is the least of your concerns. The usb issues were around when it first launched, but as far as I'm concerned there hasn't been issues with that for months now. Random crashes aren't an issue, I've built many pcs using ryzen recently, and not had any crashing issues.

A decent dual tower air cooler will do more than a good enough job for the 5900x, that dark rock pro 4 will do very well.

ID: hltcifq

Thank you for an answer!
You've calmed me down 🙂

ID: hlthsec

I still have usb issues with my 5900x, especially when my pcie devices are in high usage.

3 : Anonymous2021/11/23 20:06 ID: hlt5pkc

Try and go aio or noctua for cooling, in terms of ram, amd processors perform better with better ram so I’d look to upgrade there as well

ID: hltd4d6

Thank you for reply. I will probably give it a shot with components I have and then I will make some tweaks (better cooling + RAM).

Do you have any experience with Arctic Freezer Liquid II 360/420?

4 : Anonymous2021/11/23 20:26 ID: hlt8toe

I am also a Intel convert, and I have had no issues at all with my 5800X. Very stable and performant.

ID: hltcu7z

Thank you for reply!
Which Intel cpu was your last one?

5 : Anonymous2021/11/23 20:40 ID: hltaz72


If you have any questions going from Intel to AMD, I can answer them for you.

I went from an Intel Core i7-5960X Extreme Edition on an ASUS ROG RAMPAGE V EDITION 10, running 64GB G.Skill Ripjaws 4 DDR4-2400MHz CL 15 (8x8GB), to an AMD Ryzen 9 5950X on an ASUS CROSSHAIR 8 FORMULA, running 64GB G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4-3600MHz F4-3600C14Q-64GVK CL 14. I synced my 1TB Secure Boot UEFI SATA SSD with a WDC m.2 SN750 1TB NVMe drive in a PCIe adapter on my R5E10 before transferring to the CH8F board. Before the transfer, I made a full backup of my entire system.

I run a full CPU/GPU custom EKWB loop, controlled by an EKWB Loop Controller.

Unfortunately, my GPU is still an MSI GTX 1080Ti AERO OC 11GB from April 2017. I have been trying to get my hands on an AMD RX 6800XT 16GB direct from the AMD Store. I may have to break down and visit my local Microcenter to pickup a PowerColor Liquid Devil RX 6800XT.

My OS is Windows 10 21H2. I am running ASUS BIOS 3801 WITHOUT any USB issues at all.

Both systems running off my EVGA 1000G2 power supply and APC Back-UPS-Pro 1500VA.

The AMD system pulls less wattage than the Intel system did. The Intel system pulled 650-700W while gaming and benchmarking, while the AMD system pulls 450-600W doing the same thing with the same benchmarks and games.

The 1080Ti breathes so much better on PCIe 4.0.

If you have any questions, you can write directly to me. I was an Intel fanboy since the 386 days.

ID: hltcf4f

Thanks for reply, I will remember! 🙂

ID: hlti1s6

The 1080ti can’t even saturate pcie gen3 8x, how can performance improve in pcie gen4??

ID: hltlste

Its like plugging a USB 2.0 thumb drive into a USB 3.0 port. Some drives can transfer faster. Not at the full USB 3.0 speeds, but at full USB 2.0 speeds.

6 : Anonymous2021/11/23 20:15 ID: hlt76dp

Looks like you have everything but the CPU. I say go for it. Prices have dropped recently on the 5900X.

That RAM isn’t horrible. I would run it. All my systems have 32GB as a minimum.

ID: hltcme7

Thank you for reply.
I will probably give it a shot 🙂

7 : Anonymous2021/11/23 20:41 ID: hltb33y

I didn't buy my 5900x right at the start, and never had any USB issues. I've read that they were resolved with bios updates after launch.

The rest of your stuff looks fine. The RAM's not the fastest, but it's also not the slowest, and will probably be just fine. If you're looking to push the bleeding edge you could improve there, but if you don't have to have literally the fastest out there you'll be fine.

I'd assume you'll be fine with that cooler if running stock. If you overclock aggressively (whether manually or by using Precision Boost Overdrive 2 and the Curve Optimizer) then that cooler may or may not suffice. I've seen my pushed 5900x burn as much as 197W during stress testing or certain benchmarks like Cinebench R23, so you can probably find reviews on that cooler and see what heat loads were dissipated with it and make up your mind. At stock settings it'll burn up to 142 W, so there's a data point for you.

I'd be curious what GPU you'll be pairing this with. If it's a much older model your actual improvement in games might not meet your expectations: this 5900x is a beast that is well matched to a fast card like a 3080ti or 3090 or 6800xt/6900xt. With lower than that the CPU is overmatched, with much lower than that games may be so GPU bottlenecked you just don't see much improvement.

ID: hltccnp

Thanks for reply!I'm currently using RTX2080Ti with 1440p/165hz display. I wanted to upgrade it but prices are too high imo. Maybe next gen will be more obtainable, who knows? 😉
That's why I'm thinking about 5900X - more futureproofing choice

ID: hltent6

Unless your current Intel cpu is a real potato I'm not sure how much closer you'll get to maxing out your monitor's refresh rate with a 5900x at 1440p. You didn't mention what CPU you'd be upgrading from. It could be a little, it could be more than a little. Just depends on how well your current CPU is able to drive that 2080ti.

If your current rig is holding up fine you might consider making the jump a couple of months from now when the 3D VCache versions of the 5900x and 5950x are released. If you're unfamiliar with this term, it's a technology AMD has announced that will see an additional 64mb L3 cache die mounted directly to each of the two core chiplets of the 5950 and 5950 processors that will bring their total L3 cache available from 64mb to 192mb. This should give a fairly sizeable boost to games that are sensitive to memory speed (which is probably most of them).

Of course, "future proof" in PCs doesn't really exist. Whatever you buy today in order to both have the best and be "future proof" will be dashed the following year, when what you have is still great but no longer the best. If you don't need to have the best but merely good enough, then future proofing by buying high end now at least extends the timeline into the future where your stuff is at least still good enough.

All that said, if you're really just feeling the itch to upgrade I totally understand it and won't criticize. I did the same earlier this year. We're close enough now, though, to the 3D VCache models being released that I would advise some patience. I believe it will be handsomely rewarded.

8 : Anonymous2021/11/23 21:11 ID: hltfp8m

Had a 3900X and moved to 5900X bit over a month ago. Had no issues and using a Noctua D15. CPU runs great, pretty cool and I am happy with it. Ofc I am not running benchmarks all day along, just doing my day to day stuff, playing games, compiling software etc both on Windows and Linux.

9 : Anonymous2021/11/23 21:24 ID: hlthq0n

I upgraded from a 3600 to a 5900x and have been having some crashes using the same motherboard. I think my problem was the 5900x didn't like my ram running xmp at 3600mhz like it was with the 3600. I have turned it down to 3400mhz and since then no more blue screens. I read that some 5900x don't like to run up to 3600 but it should be good up to 3200mhz for sure so if you do have any problems try tuning it down to 3200mhz and see if that fixes it. Most people say the difference between 3200 and 3600 is very minor so don't worry about losing a lot of performance. I didn't when I turned it down and it has the added benefit of no more blue screens 🙂

10 : Anonymous2021/11/23 22:24 ID: hltqmje

I just built my first AMD system for 15 years this July and it's been rock solid. I'm running a 5600x on a B550 board (Asus B550-F Wifi). I haven't experienced any USB issues or crashing issues. I used the PC every day all day for remote work, and game a bunch on it as well. My build is here if you'd like to check it out

11 : Anonymous2021/11/23 20:43 ID: hltbg42

TDP of beQuiet is 250W, TDP of 5900X is 105W. So you are safe on this one.


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