Just Updated my BIOS to AGESA With (almost) the same settings, the growth in L3 performance is unbelievable! The 5000 series will be aging like fine wine, it seems.

1 : Anonymous2021/03/07 13:14 ID: lzqg7m
Just Updated my BIOS to AGESA With (almost) the same settings, the growth in L3 performance is unbelievable! The 5000 series will be aging like fine wine, it seems.
2 : Anonymous2021/03/07 15:06 ID: gq3olze

This, so far, has no noticeable effect on anything besides AIDA64's benchmark, reflected in the change log for AGESA

3) Improve L3$ bandwidth in AIDA64

ID: gq3pp8s

Wow, when did they start publishing changelogs?

ID: gq4mnws

Okay, thanks for the clarification. I was hoping some gains in games and applications, but it seems it's just a fix.

Overall I think I have more stability with memory in boot sequence, but it's okay. I'm happy with that.

3 : Anonymous2021/03/07 14:59 ID: gq3nw62

Yeah but does it actually improve anything in games ?

ID: gq4aoy3

No, because it's literally only a fix for aida64

ID: gq3p84m

I guess it will only show improvements on games (or applications) that will stress the cache. Perhaps a future game will be able to stress it.

Back then games didn't benefit faster RAM frequencies and lower latencies in the Sandy Bridge processors. Everybody back then ran DDR3 at 1333MHz. Now, 1866CL10+ is practically a necessity to make the classic CPU perform in modern titles to change the minimum FPS from 16 up to 30 or even 45fps.

All it takes is a newer game that will take advantage of the faster cache.

4 : Anonymous2021/03/07 23:47 ID: gq5l0vb

Jeez, dude, there is no improvement in performance. They just fixed a bug that messed with AIDA's memory/cache benchmark. No real world difference except for that particular test.
You know what would be nice though?
Fixing the damn WHEA interconnect problems for high IF clocks.

5 : Anonymous2021/03/07 19:01 ID: gq4i870

The performance was already there it's just that AIDA64 wasn't reading it correctly/

6 : Anonymous2021/03/07 18:00 ID: gq490xz

Nothing to see here, it was probably just a misreporting. I saw a forum post where the AIDA64 devs claimed that it was difficult for the their algorithm to effectively measure bandwidth without cache thrashing on Zen 3's large 32MB L3, so something was probably changed in the AGESA so that the problem goes away.

7 : Anonymous2021/03/07 20:57 ID: gq4yw7r

Stop calling this fine wine. That’s just fanboy marking bullshit. It's more like filtering piss to drinkable water. AMD can't even fix the USB problems. if they manage to fix that would you also call that fine wine?

ID: gq5c71u

I've been running a 5600X with a Asus B550 and have never had any USB issues either. It's weird how some people have issues and others don't when using the same hardware.

ID: gq642go

He's got a point

ID: gq5aqz2

AMD can't even fix the USB problems. if they manage to fix that would you also call that fine wine?

Yes AMD has performance what is nice BUT anything else... feature and stability wise it is still far behind.

ID: gq4zj39

Fine, I'll buy it.

First things first, didn't have any USB issues at any time, or probably I would be piss off to buy a 600€ CPU with design issues.

In the other hand, you should consider that if I didn't had any issues with my sample any update that give me more performance/score in tasks would be greatly welcome. OK?

I don't want to grow any "marketing-bullshit" like you say, but for me this is an improvement and NOTHING more. I'm sorry for the folks who are getting the annoying usb issues, but that doesn't affect me.


8 : Anonymous2021/03/07 16:28 ID: gq3xr1s

My motherboard just got the update like two days ago, so looks like I'll be waiting a few months for this update

ID: gq4n8ck

ard just got the update like two days ago, so looks like I'll be waiting a few months for this updat

Yes, and MSI took a couple of weeks to include the update. Don't worry, I prefer MB manufacturers took their time working on the software rather than deploy some alpha builds and cause issues to the general user.

9 : Anonymous2021/03/07 17:46 ID: gq473gg

Looks like you got 600MB/s ram/mem bandwidth too even though for some reason it seems like it switched you from CR1 (1T?) to CR2

ID: gq4ndgc

He has it on auto.

ID: gq4nyu8

Yes, I changed a couple of settings thanks to the "marvelous" BIOS importing option of MSI AGESA update that reset all configuration post-update (I managed to backup almost all settings though BIOS update, but forgot to switch to CR2 and add 75MHz OC in PBO.)

It's not a "100% fair" comparison, but the difference with each update is there.

10 : Anonymous2021/03/07 22:38 ID: gq5d6sg

AGESA 1.2.x.x for me has finally made it so my motherboard power stabilizes when running either XMP or SAM enabled on my 5600X and RX 6800. Before that enabling XMP without wattage tuning caused terrible mouse/keyboard input glitches and crashing. SAM did not work under any settings I tried until AGESA 1.2

All-in-all, it was a lifesaver, but it should not have had to have been when I had a B550, Zen 3, and RDNA2 but could not take advantage of an advertised feature of said setup.

11 : Anonymous2021/03/07 14:51 ID: gq3n3n9

Is there any difference in any other benchmark?

ID: gq4p67q

Probably not, it's a fix in AIDA64 bench according to the changelog and some users.

In my personal experience the memory stability (POST) seems to be improved.

12 : Anonymous2021/03/07 14:54 ID: gq3nerh

New benchmark score by hardware unboxed?

13 : Anonymous2021/03/07 18:26 ID: gq4cz84

Is this also relevant for series 3000 cpus from amd?

ID: gq4odd4

I don't think so. The changelog reports that this update ( was a fix to AIDA64 benchmark. I guess didn't catch that before submitting this post in reddit.

But hey, at least got some stability with memory in boot sequences, that's fine.

14 : Anonymous2021/03/07 23:04 ID: gq5gbis


15 : Anonymous2021/03/07 14:55 ID: gq3ngd0

hmm overall latency is marginally higher with the newer version (likely within error) and write speeds are slower for Memory, L2 and L1 but read speeds have increased rather nicely.

Its interesting to see how they are making improvements across the versions.

Now if they could keep the higher read and write speeds while lower latency that would be nice too.

ID: gq4pkhj

Yes, and I'll took those differences with a grain of salt. You can check the 75MHz (cpu) difference and CR1 instead of CR2.

The RAM latency and subtimmings are the same on each case, just forgot to literally copy-paste those two settings through the new BIOS update, which resets all profiles and erase them.

16 : Anonymous2021/03/07 17:36 ID: gq45vqd

My 5900x boost roughly 100mhz more multi core with on my x570 tomahawk. Same CO. Benches reflect this. I'm Happy.

ID: gq4q4qd

Hey, that's great! My best OC'd up to date was 5,1GHz single core (with PBO+Curve Optimizer), but I don't need to reach that right now.

I prefer to get close to the 5GHz barrier and save some ºC(s) for the summer, which could be concerning because of temps.

ID: gq5oosi

Yeah I am also seeing this on my x570 tomahawk with

I cam getting higher score in multi-threaded benchmarks across the board compared to

17 : Anonymous2021/03/07 20:40 ID: gq4wg51

Does this also affects Zen 2 ?

ID: gq4x4vb

It seems the AGESA was a fix to AIDA64 L3 performance, but seems to have stability improvements with memory.

No it doesn't affect Zen 2 neither Zen 3 with other applications beyond AIDA64. Greetings.

18 : Anonymous2021/03/07 22:51 ID: gq5es3r

I got a question for you guys. How much performance different do you think it would be between a ram 3600,16-19-19 vs 3733,16-16-16 for ryzen 5000?

19 : Anonymous2021/03/07 16:49 ID: gq408b3

Since I use mine mostly for rendering I'm more interested about CB results. I see a lot of complaints about reduced performance on AGESA1200+ so I'll hodl for now.

20 : Anonymous2021/03/07 17:21 ID: gq4444v

I dont know man, im just a bit worried if updating bios will destroy the peace that I have right now. is it all stable? have u ran stress tests?

ID: gq4qqpf

Don't worry, the changelog reports this update fix some issues with AIDA64 detection, and other issues described.

You don't need to upgrade if necessary, just had more stability with memory on boot sequences and didn't have any issues post-update.

Also, take that with a grain of salt, didn't run any more benchmarks (CB, prime95, etc...) beyond this one. Greetings.

21 : Anonymous2021/03/07 19:36 ID: gq4n6np

Set command rate to 1. You have it on auto. This should improve it even more.

ID: gq4r2bp

Thank you for the tip, I'll do it right now.

Forgot to change that one and PBO gains (+75MHz) with this AGESA update. Will report the results after that.


EDIT: nope, can't post with CR=1T, but fixed the PBO setting. Had some issues preventing POST previously and seems that can't force the memory up to that point.

For the record, have G.Skill TridentZ royal , (2x2 dual rank 3600CL17(2T)) OC'd to 3766cl16(1T). I'm fine with 1.36v, shouldn't brute-force to 1.4+ just to boot them. :S

22 : Anonymous2021/03/07 17:54 ID: gq485fd

Just give us access to public AGESA for us to write our own optimisations.


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