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You can be the pinned megathread, thanks for the compilation of reviews.
Bold of you to assume anyone is going to read The Verge review
They built the worst PC ever btw, their lead tech guy.
Suprised it turned on at best, didn’t blow up at worst.
Info for those not aware.
Personally, I'm happy they made that build, the memes that came out of it are glorious, I'm pretty sure LTT still made a joke about it in a recent video this week lol
Its been a while since I saw it, but I don't think it would have run but they made changes in between edits to correct things off camera if I recall correctly.
btw, their lead tech guy.
WTF I only get to know this fact now?
IT'S NOT THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT MATTER, IT'S THE DIVERSITY!
AMD was probably thinking "Hmm yeah everybody only plays AC Valhalla and Godfall nowadays so let's price this GPU as close as possible to the RTX 3070 lol"
The perf improvement over a 5700XT - is almost 25%, but the msrp is also 20% higher.
So really nothing to get excited about when it comes to fps/$ - IF one could even buy it at msrp.
I get it this card is almost as good as a 2080 Ti in reviews such as Hardware Unboxed , GN and TPU but the lack of a DLSS competitor makes $480 is too tall of an order
What time are they releasing tomorrow?
It’s probably 6am PST. That’s when Nvidia's release. Sometimes they release like 5 minutes early on accident.
This card needed to be cheaper.
Assuming MSRP (LOL) For $20 more for the 3070 you get slightly better raster performance/ or on par and significantly better RT performance. Also it has all the features like dlss, nvecn, cuda etc.
The thing going in favour of the 6700xt is the extra vram and better linux support. Thats about it. Maybe if you have a weak cpu as well? but CPU bottlenecks arent that easily hit especially if you have things like ultra details and ray tracing on
The card should have closer in price to the 3060ti
There's going to be a lot of comments about pricing, but frankly speaking it doesn't matter given the current market. And by the time GPUs become available at MSRP or lower would be about the time in product cycles where AMD has traditionally sold their GPU/CPUs at a little below MSRP.
MSRP just isn't even worth talking about this gen.
AMD knew exactly what they were doing with the pricing. They know the card will sell out regardless
I agree. With the current landscape I believe amd took advantage of the current situation and priced accordingly. Then when gpu situation improves(more supple than demand). Amd is poised to make big markdowns to get rid of stock.
Seriously. The complaints about pricing here is silly. Is this thing going to immediately sell out at its currently price point? No? Then it's not overpriced.
I expect this card to become significantly cheaper if and as soon as supply ever normalizes. If it conpetes with the 3060ti in price, the card will be competetive and actually a good deal for those not interested in Raytracing
At this point the MSRP is basically meaningless. People will buy what they can get. Sure if it were the normal times... It's just depressing how meaningless the price is at this point.
$479 isn’t the real MSRP, AMD just knows you will pay $479 to get close to 3070 levels of performance since the 3070 is $600-700$ right now.
3070 is like 1100€ in Germany atm, I would buy a 6700xt for 700€ but that wont happen.
What happened to the low end? Why no 100-250$ GPUs? Do they really think a person that can only afford a 200$ GPU will say "fuck it I'm gonna buy the 480$ 6700 xt?"
Do they really think a person that can only afford a 200$ GPU will say "fuck it I'm gonna buy the 480$ 6700 xt?
They dont. They just dont need that persons sale anymore. Both nvidia and AMD can clear all their stock at 480$ and above.
bad pricing....not even one of the reviewer is saying it matches 3070 all of them shows it matching 3060ti or 3 percent better
overclocking looks dud too
I’m not sure why you’re being being downvoted. It is prices badly. Only beats 3060ti and 3070 in Vanhalla, Godfall and some other AMD sponsored title. Plus the lack of DLSS type feature and a lack of a good encoder just makes the 10-17% price difference irrelevant.
not even one of the reviewer is saying it matches 3070
From TechPowerUp's conclusion page:
Performance comparable to RTX 3070 and RTX 2080 Ti
Comparable but still slower
After years of reading "wait for ****" on this sub AMD again releases a GPU with much worse value per dollar than Nvidia. Something tells me there is nothing to wait for...
Ryzen brand is amazing, but Radeon seems like barely relevant zombie.
And Nvidia becomes even more arrogant year after year. They broke VR in drivers half a year ago and still haven't fixed it. And VR users are some of the biggest spenders on tech that often go for the highest end.
Lel for all the shit I love to give ASUS, that card that TPU got had an insane bin in it.
2.8GHz with an OC.
Another amd card launched at an inflated price. Should have been priced at $429 for it to be a better value..
Considering that it's half way between the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti and GeForce RTX 3070, it should be $449.
Obviously, this is talking about the non-existence MSRP
With shit RT perf you can't compare AMD to Nvidia like that. AMD is a budget brand, no matter how much they want to pretend it isn't so. It's fucking insulting how they price their cards as if they actually compete with Nvidia considering all the features they lack.
No one with a brain would pay 50$ more (vs 3060 Ti) to get a card that is "margin of error" faster with twice as slow RT performance.
Man I've seeing some arguments to defending the 6700XT price and the card itself in this subreddit, it's just incredible. And everyone discard every feature that can NVIDIA can give because "I don't need it", then what feature can AMD give that is worthful?.
Even onthey bashed a ton the 3060 by how bad it was, but the 6700XT is good here? lol
AMD, I love your CPUs, but get together with your GPUs/Radeon.
PS: NVIDIA can you fix your shitty bug on youtube comments pls (?
I 100% guarantee you that once AMD starts to have features of the similar kind you can watch this sub do a 180 and praise those said features, It's like with RT and DLSS. Once those are widely available on AMD cards then everyone will go to loving it and praising it saying they did a good job. This happens with Nvidia too don't get me wrong but it's just basically what people see in their eyes they can do no wrong and anything and anyone else is wrong.
But yeah I'll watch this sub closely when AMD drops their DLSS equivalent and just see the 180.
I'll watch this sub closely when AMD drops their DLSS equivalent
Same. Along withand as well, because there is also some people there who still denies the importance of the DLSS and even believes that AMD implementation will be better than Nvidia. which i kept reminding that won't be the case. Because of their lack of dedicated AI accelerator cores built inside the RDNA2 architecture and amount of R&D time that they have left, but at the same time i tell them that AMD implementation won't be useless and might still benefit all of us.
It's amazing how the PlayStation subreddit has gone from saying that they don't need 60fps because they'd rather take higher graphical fidelity at 30fps to complaining when games don't offer a 60fps mode and saying it's unplayable. Console gamers finally got a taste of high refresh rates after years of saying it was just PC gamers being uptight and they do a 180 immediately
I agree the next 180 will be Ray Tracing once the next set of consoles can actually run it like a rtx3080 or 3090 can. As will this sub, which is full of people saying they have no interest in RT mostly because they haven't actually been able to try it out properly. It's the biggest graphical leap for games in years and people are still in denial just because their favourite company isn't the one at the front. If Cyberpunk gets ray tracing on the PS5 I guarantee the sub will suddenly be fawning over how they can't believe how good a game can look and that the PS5 is the best thing ever etc
People in all sorts of tech subreddits are so stuck in their bubble that they only become open to new things if their favourite company does it. I have a Switch, PlayStation, rtx3080 and Ryzen CPU and so browse all these different subs and it's interesting how similar the patterns are. I also get called a shill or troll in each of them for daring to mention anything negative.
Of Course! - people here are waiting for the promised Super Resolution feature(AMD DLSS).
Even if I could get one, I would probably not pull the trigger. This card feels like a ripoff as Nvidia provides many software features and at this price point I would rather get a 3070. But in the end I won't be able to get any of these. Cheers.
Have faith. I ordered a 3070 in late October, and it arrived last week.
/s for sadness
Thats really disappointing for its pice, though msrp doesn't really matter. 3070 is a much better deal.
Having said that if you have an older cpu, (literally anything that isn't 10th gen, 5000 or high end 3000) it will perform much better than the rtx cards.
At MSRP the 3070 is a better deal.
But good luck finding a 3070 south of $700. Let's see what AIBs launch at.
Of course but you won't find these at msrp either. Just comparing the prices we've been given.
TL;DR it's really poorly priced, should be $400 max. Only 3% better then the 3060ti and noticeably worse then the 3070. AMD basically priced it way too high because they know it will sell. Seems almost like an Nvidia move.
So in other words you'd be stupid to buy this over a 3060 ti or 3070, if you had the choice. I feel like this would've made a good $400 launch, $480 msrp would be uncompetitive if it wasn't for the whacked market right now.
if you had the choice.
Not an amazing card, but should still be a decent upgrade for many. However AMD is pretty shamelessly taking advantage of the GPU situation to set an overpriced MSRP. The 3060ti is overall the better card for gamers, but its also THE miner card so it really is irrelevant for anyone not using bots or is willing to pay scalper prices. This could make the 6700xt more avaliable at least if AMD can supply it.
They could price this card at 99 dollars and the scalpers/shady retailers would still sell it for 700+. This way at least AMD is getting a larger cut of the money instead of scalpers and shady retailers.
The larger cut they make, the more they can dump into R&D and increasing the size of their software teams. The software side is where we'll get better drivers and fancier image reconstruction like DLSS. In this instance I feel AMD are going plenty far without going too far if that makes sense? And if the market stops/drops then they can easily come out and reduce MSRP.
Given the market, if you can get ANY card at MSRP it's the best buy compared to anything else. It's the bargain card and best price/performance. Hopefully it'll be more available than the 3060ti.
Or they could be using these higher margins for a bigger profit for their shareholders while mantaining the dev teams at the same size.
tl;dr: it's meh but if you can buy it at MSRP get it, not like we have many options, i wish AMD could give us a sneak peak at their DLSS alternative, because at this point the lack of futures makes it a risky buy compared to the 3060ti/3070.
to me it's a skip unfortunately until the Destiny 2 situation is sorted, ill stick to my vega 56 for a while.
AMD needs to do a better job controlling its AIBs to stop them from 2x markup. AIBs markup Nvidia cards as well but not as extreme as AMD cards
I hope crypto miners avoid this card because of:
It is less power efficient than other 6000 cards.
They probably won't as they want any cards they can get ahold of.
Like a swarm of blood-thirsty locusts, they''ll eat up any GPU that remains in stock for more than 2 seconds.
That efficiency chart has nothing to do with efficiecy at mining although I would agree that it probably won't be as good as a lot of other cards.
But I guess it won't matter that much anyway.
Obviously, hardly anyone is getting MSRP right now, but specifically talking about MSRP...
...from performance, the Radeon RX 6700 XT should be $449, which would put it right between the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti and GeForce RTX 3070
This is a $350-$400 card. Should have had two SKUs to directly replace the 5700 and 5700 XT in a more perfect world.
If you don't remember, AMD intended to launch the Radeon RX 5700 XT at $449, but has to cut the price at the last minute because NVIDIA launched the GeForce RTX 2070 Super.
On top of that, there was the Radeon RX 5700 XT Anniversary Edition that was supposed to launch at $499.
Imo it should be $400 and even then I would choose a 3060ti over it anyways.
At $399, the Radeon RX 6700 XT would be a no-brainer over the GeForce RTX 3060 Ti.
At $449, it would still be palatable considering the performance.
except reality is that the 3060 ti will always cost more therefore making the 6700XT a better choice since it will always be cheaper
Didn't AMD's review embargo in the past lift on launchday?
Yes, they listened to feedback for once.
Well this time it wouldn't matter cause nobody is restraining their purchase decisions based on reasonable research.
It's buy now use brain later.
AMD listens to feedback all the time.
edit: non-blower reference coolers for example
So much talk for a price that won't appear anywhere. When the market returns to normality, then we can judge prices. Right now, fucking Polaris is going for $400+... And that chip costs less than $100 to produce... Making a mountain out of a molehill in this place.
Seriously. You got folks that are comparing it to the 5700XT's launch msrp not realizing that street prices for it are up to $1000. If I sell both my RX580 and 5700XT right now, I can recoup the costs for my 6900XT
TPU show intersting results where 6700XT is more faster than 3060Ti in 1440p than 1080p and then loses ground at 4k. Don't remember it happening with 68/6900/XT.
this time a bad cooling system for the reference
AIB can go low as 60° but we won't be able to find them anywhere
Moar stuff from my favorite Germans (besides DF's Alex =D):
Looks fairly lukewarm in any normal environment, but right now, anything you can get your hands on for even close to its msrp is worth lol
Can somebody tell me what the time start selling rx 6700 xt ?
6 AM pacific, 9 AM eastern time, if you are in the US.
I went through a bunch of the reviews and found overclocking. Did anyone see how the card undervolts?
Not a good deal, MSRP to MSRP... and AMD knows it, which is why they're so confident with stock on hand. Compared to the 3070 it's a bad buy. But, they know it will sell out tomorrow and trade for $800 on eBay anyways.
So I guess I should stick with my 5700 xt?
Coming from the guy who got 2 3070, 1 3080, and 1 3090, I never had a chance to buy a AMD Radeon 6000 series because AMD 6000 is a paper launch. All chips are being used in PS5 and XBOX Series XS
no DIRT5 with RT reviews?