AMD refuses to limit cryptocurrency mining: ‘we will not be blocking any workload’

1 : Anonymous2021/03/17 18:48 ID: m77jnl
AMD refuses to limit cryptocurrency mining: 'we will not be blocking any workload'
2 : Anonymous2021/03/17 19:04 ID: gr9og9s

It would be pointless anyway as Nvidia's RTX 3060 example proves.

ID: gra30gb

Yeah, there is no chance that GPU vendors will ever be able to prevent mining. If DRM can be broken on a console to pirate a $60 video game, DRM can certainly be broken in video card drivers to make thousands in crypto.

ID: gra5sml

They don't need to break the DRM.

The big miners buy chips directly from Nvidia and build their own cards and hire developers to customize the software. Nvidia only did that limit for PR reasons knowing full well it changed nothing.

Limiting mining only hurts the little guys like us who are mining to help offset the insane price of cards now.

ID: gr9p7xy

Wasn't theirs just a recent fluke, or are folks simply using an older driver version to bypass?

ID: gr9pedc

NVIDIA accidentally released a beta driver that didn't have the crypto mining limit.

ID: gra56bh

Not just that but it's also somewhat anticonsumer imo. I think it's dumb to limit it when I can make a few bucks back off my hardware. They are hurting us average consumers more than anyone else with those moves.

ID: gra071q

Yep. I'm as against miners gobbling up hardware as much as the next gamer but it's obvious artificial limits aren't the answer.

3 : Anonymous2021/03/17 19:42 ID: gr9tl4a

It's literally pointless to implement mining blocker when AMD has open source drivers on linux

4 : Anonymous2021/03/17 20:35 ID: gra0jq0

Trying to block one class of workload can risk blocking other workloads by accident. Look at the industry's anti-piracy software.

ID: granxx7

and they are OUR CARDS, I don't mine crypto, but you should be able to do whatever you want with your hardware.

5 : Anonymous2021/03/17 19:21 ID: gr9qnly

Unpopular opinion: I don't want manufacturers dictating how I use the hardware I bought. It's the same treatment I want from ISPs (net neutrality). This behavior is preferable over them segmenting over and over to make you pay higher prices for the same product, but gated by software.

ID: gr9yzlq

Something tells me that this opinion is the popular one - especially with the entire right to repair movement taking place.

ID: gra1885

I honestly couldn't tell coming into this thread. Maybe the minority is just a bunch of loud, annoying people screaming against mining. I don't personally mine, but I don't believe it's my business or anyone else's business to tell you what to do with your stuff.

ID: grabkdf

it's popular amonst those that understand economic cause and effect.

ID: gra3dz1

Yeah it sure is the popular opinion. The problem is there are some very wealthy companies taking the opposite stance.

ID: gr9vxlx

I agree wholeheartedly with your unpopular opinion.

ID: gr9z9fe

The other thing someone pointed out is that this likely won't stop miners (they'll get around it). It'll stop little Timmy looking to mine some Etherum for pocket change when he's at school.

ID: gra78em

This is what I pretty much said. I feel it's anticonsumer at least in the sense of them trying to tell me what I can use my hardware for and it hurts average people making a few bucks more than commercial miners anyway. I think a lot of people are screaming about anything related to mining though thinking it's all bad and will somehow get them a 6800 or 3080

ID: gr9zqq4

I wholeheartedly agree, even if I detest mining farms and am undecided on mining (edit: /crypto) in general.

ID: gra5bpx

see the difference between the quadro rtx 8000 and the rtx titans that were identical hardware but with a software gate making the card with the features cartain professionals need unlocked making the card cost more then twice as much.

now imagine they did that in the gaming market of you want to play at over 60fps? well you can only have unlocked framerate with our speed series with the same hardware as the basic edition for 50% more but with framerate unlocked, of you want to play in 4k sorry the basic edition cards are locked to 1080p but for 50% more you can get the clarity edition instead! oh what you actually want framerates AND resolution unlocked well then you gotta shill out for the EPEEN edition with no artifical limiters on the same hardware as the basic edition, for double the price. or wait you cant afford that all at once? dont worry because you can get the basic, speed or clarity editions and pay a monthly subscription to temporarily unlock the hardware so it preforms like a more expensive version, and if you want to change your speed to a clarity or your speed subscription to a clarity subscrition you can do so for PRICE at any time!,

or buy our prebuilt with the ultrabasic version of the graphics card installed for FREE that can support 2d apps and either pay per peice of software you want to enable 3d graphics mode for perminantly or pay per month like our previously listed upgrade plans only availiable with our following system integrator partners....

the thought of it makes me want to puke, and we all know its coming the second they get to the point where game grapics reach a point of maximum complexity, resolutions and screen refresh rates plateau out and gpus capable of easaly handling anything realisticly out there gaming graphics wise are cheap and just as easy to produce as worse older designs. and we are getting damn close to that point, the hardest part will be the gpu manufacturers finding a way to implement unhackable or effectively so locks for their hardware

also you cant sell your card used because you need your licence key to activate it and it can only be tied to one account ever so a new card user would have to purchace their own licence fee at (price barely less then buying an entirely new card with included licence)

6 : Anonymous2021/03/17 20:14 ID: gr9xs3j

i dont like the precident of a company locking me out of certain workloads. i dont mine but fuck you if you tell me i cant.

7 : Anonymous2021/03/17 19:47 ID: gr9u5ox

I don't think people understand why NVIDIA doesn't want miners to be buying gaming cards, and no, it is not because NVIDIA love gamers.

The real reason is that the mining market is unpredictable.

After the mining bubble collapse, the market is going to be full of used gaming cards.

NVIDIA is going to be sitting on shelves full of cards that it can't sell.

ID: gra74e4

Another factor is they could theoretically make better money selling miners mining cards as well. It's not just one variable but all that definitely plays a part. They can't flood with used gaming gpus if they limit them more. Either way kinda silly to think any of them are our friends.

ID: gra8fni

Another factor is they could theoretically make better money selling miners mining cards as well.

ID: gr9y8es

This happened with the 10 series cards

ID: gr9yrm8

And to AMD with the 200 series and a bit again on the 400 series despite their reservations of overproduction.

ID: gra897j

If everyone does buy mining cards for mining, those cards are going to be e-Waste once crypto crashes again. Also there won’t be a second hand market because the crypto cards are useless for gaming.

ID: gra9akx

Eliminating the the secondhand market is the point.

ID: gra96de

...a suddenly interest in environment after all the wasted electricity running the cards

ID: gra4lxn

The upside for us is that GPUs from the mines are not nearly as "worn out" as people think they are

8 : Anonymous2021/03/17 19:41 ID: gr9tfx5

Good, there's enough artifical segmentation of hardware.

9 : Anonymous2021/03/17 19:30 ID: gr9rz4k

I support this decision and honestly don't understand why there would be disdain for this.. They're making gaming cards. If there are users that are able to use the card(s) for non-gaming task, I wouldn't limit the drivers or performance either unless there was an aim to cater to that market at some point in the near future.
I get that it makes the acquisition of gaming cards for the target audience difficult at the very least, but it's part of supply and demand. It's not like these manufacturers are limiting the production of the product. There is simply a higher demand than the supply line is producing..

ID: gr9zxq3

And high mining demand always results in a good used card market down the line.

10 : Anonymous2021/03/17 21:07 ID: gra4u6d

This is not how you get gamers more cards. This is how you strangle a secondary market.

Want to get more cards into gamers hands? Present ID, get checked, given a reservation and you can buy. Buy too many cards, no reservation for you.

Simple. But hey. The truth is money talks. People are willing to work and to pay to get the cards, it is gonna be tough to stop them. I will upgrade from my 1070 when it makes sense. Would have loved to get a a 6800 when they came out to pair with my 3700X. Just not gonna happen for a while I think.

11 : Anonymous2021/03/17 20:06 ID: gr9wsbr

Good. It's your hardware, you should be able to do whatever you want with it.

12 : Anonymous2021/03/17 21:15 ID: gra5x6a

And this is good. Shortages are bad but even more restrictive hardware is worse!

13 : Anonymous2021/03/17 19:39 ID: gr9t2hp

Good! Lets all be real here, the reason Nvidia did this was for their own bottom line. They don't want miners buying up GPU's and flooding the used market when crypto dies down. They want miners to buy these overpriced, defective, inefficient chips they have lying around. These things can't be sold when crypto goes down and thus Nvidia can continue to cash in selling new cards when a gamer could have gotten some sweet used market deal on a mining GPU. I'm glad AMD is not following in the stupid choices Nvidia made, most of the industry saw right through this charade that nvidia is "doing for gamers"/s

14 : Anonymous2021/03/17 20:01 ID: gr9w2v4

AMD knows this is literally a dumbest thing to do because of E-waste,waste of effort when pepole will find a way to bypass this,and the fact that they would be looked as bad guys

15 : Anonymous2021/03/17 21:43 ID: gra9ekn

And this is bad why?

This is what they should do. Stupid fucking headline.

16 : Anonymous2021/03/17 19:14 ID: gr9pqw0

I honestly think doing so can potentially break something in the long run, so better look for a different approach.

17 : Anonymous2021/03/17 21:25 ID: gra73xs

Blocking workload the way nVidia does is both pointless and arguably unethical.

18 : Anonymous2021/03/17 19:22 ID: gr9qwpe

I think its just not worth for AMD to use resources for an Mining Blocker that will be broken anyway

19 : Anonymous2021/03/17 19:17 ID: gr9q4gp

RDNA 2 doesn't seem to be that great at mining, anyway (via. Tom's Hardware)

ID: gr9q5mc

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ID: gr9qgv8

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ID: gr9t6xg

Looks like the efficiency Power per hash-rate is right in line with the other cards. Per $ probably doesn't make as much sense to the nvidia cards though if you are getting them at MSRP somehow.

20 : Anonymous2021/03/17 19:36 ID: gr9sr61

This is a good thing. A driver to restrict mining won't hurt mining firms, but in fact benefits them since the barrier to mining is much greater for individuals.

21 : Anonymous2021/03/17 19:48 ID: gr9uae2

Good. Manufacturers shouldn't be dictating what anybody does with hardware they own.

22 : Anonymous2021/03/17 20:13 ID: gr9xon4

Why would they? This demand is just like any other in that it will run out all by its own in time. Further a good portion of the production issues have nothing to do with mining but rather the backlog in the foundry industry. Frankly blaming mining is just a frustrated persons easy out

23 : Anonymous2021/03/17 20:34 ID: gra0fu9

RDNA2 isn't particularily good at mining anyway, so I don't see an issue here.


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