AMD Ryzen 5000G (5700G, 5600G, 5300G) Cezanne desktop APU specifications leaked –

1 : Anonymous2021/04/01 07:26 ID: mhq2cz
AMD Ryzen 5000G (5700G, 5600G, 5300G) Cezanne desktop APU specifications leaked -
2 : Anonymous2021/04/01 11:47 ID: gt0s80b

The CPU side is superb. The GPU not so much anymore. Especially the Video Decode

isn’t up to standard anymore as supporting AV1 is a must if you want something future-proof.

3 : Anonymous2021/04/01 09:11 ID: gt0fhp7

I hope they will put RDNA instead if Vega architecture on the GPU side of those chips. It would be very power efficient and gives decent performance at 1080p gaming. The already existing APU can run most AAA at 900p by using the Vega core.

APU with RDNA cores, would be a killer product for entry level light gaming PC! No need to get an expensive power-hungry dedicated GPU for most people. Not to mention HTPC/console PC market that would kill for this kind of product. No dedicated GPU mean, less power hungry, and way smaller form factor!

ID: gt0g5u1

You’re going to have to wait until at least the next generation to see a change in graphics architecture. There’s no way that these chips are going to be using RDNA given that they’re basically the same silicon as the mobile variants.

ID: gt0sqpy

If gpu market won't stabilize by 2022 then Rembrandt cpu might be my savior. Unless they paper launch it all again.

ID: gt0rlsx

The year is 2034. Amd is releasing 9900G, a 12C/24T APU boosting to 6.9GHz... with Vega 8.

ID: gt0sofc

And it is written straight on the APU retail box, in large letters: 'dGPU would be the better way to go!!!'

ID: gt0h088

Wait for Rembrandt.

ID: gt0qokr

Is Rembrandt similar to the console cpus?

ID: gt0gt9p

I am waiting so much for this.. but we will need ddr5 for really viable gaming apus I think

ID: gt0ig59

My worry with is ddr5 prices for the first few years, especially for a budget system using an apu.

ID: gt0k4mt

Zen 3 + DDR5 will rock !!!! But y a the problem will be DDR5 price for a couple of years. Like what we've seen with the jump from DDR3 to DDR4 we needed 1/2 years before DDR4 was at decent price

ID: gt19brg

I wouldn't mind Vega in those chips if they decided to update VCN, but for some reason, they didn't. So Cezanne does not have AV1 hardware decoder.

4 : Anonymous2021/04/01 08:52 ID: gt0e03v

5100 or 5600 please

5 : Anonymous2021/04/01 10:17 ID: gt0klfg

Do we know if those will be compatible with 4xx series motherboards ?

6 : Anonymous2021/04/01 10:38 ID: gt0ma3z

Well some improvements but honestly not much imho. The big thing is going to be AMD locking sales to OEMs and system integrators only or letting retail finally buy these.

Cause while yeah you can buy anything on the grey market, limiting APU sales just to OEMs is so fucking stupid in a year when graphics cards can cost up to 300% MSRP.

I understand they want the pure chips to sell and I understand they're likely smacking every lower binned GPU core they have straight to consoles, but both the move to focus on enterprise more than consumer channels and to limit sales of APUs to OEMs is so fucked for us normal customers...

7 : Anonymous2021/04/01 11:24 ID: gt0qcgr

Would something like a 5600g be similar to a 5600x but with a igpu?

I really miss having an igpu as a backup just in case GPU dies. Kinda why I liked having intel CPU

ID: gt0rcb4

I dont think there is any chance for G veraion being as good as R5 5600.

ID: gt15p87

Fair enough. Rip.

ID: gt0rcvf

It’s not same, so far apus have performed a little worse than their cpu counterparts. Most of the reasons for this are less cache on the APUs and also iGPU taking up power, ram, and other resources. It’s weird APU seem to perform a little better when a discreet gpu is plugged in. Nothing you would notice outside a benchmark but there is drop in performance

8 : Anonymous2021/04/01 10:50 ID: gt0n8qj

My gut feeling is that do they have spare chips for the DIY market.

9 : Anonymous2021/04/01 12:51 ID: gt0xvzd

Strongly considering getting one of these to replace my R9 290... Gpu availability is killing my soul

ID: gt1afrc

The R9 290 is quite a bit more powerful than these will be. I expect Cezanne on desktop to be about a GTX 1050/RX 560 in performance and the R9 290 is like a GTX 1060/RX 580

10 : Anonymous2021/04/01 14:33 ID: gt19cu5

April fools?

12 : Anonymous2021/04/01 10:22 ID: gt0kym4

That halved L3 cache has proven to cause it to inherit some of zen 2’s weaknesses in laptops. Cezanne absolutely TANKS in far cry 5 compared to even 6 core intel.

13 : Anonymous2021/04/01 10:31 ID: gt0lnx5

I think its just that Far Cry is optimized for Intel. Heck even my old 2500k runs that thing butter smooth.

14 : Anonymous2021/04/01 10:44 ID: gt0mrq7

Regardless, Vermeer performs well there. Which means it’s cezanne’s lack of cache.

15 : Anonymous2021/04/01 10:44 ID: gt0mqcj

8 cores + gpu in 65 watts may underpower the gpu seeing as it also has to power the 8 cores...

16 : Anonymous2021/04/01 11:20 ID: gt0py00

It shouldn't- Lucienne laptop iGPUs have shown that they are now able to run games at ~1500Mhz at just 15W total APU power, and ~2000MHz at just 20W (again, that is including the CPU). So 65W should be plenty even for full load on CPU + gaming at the same time.

17 : Anonymous2021/04/01 11:37 ID: gt0ri6n

Plus on desktop it's easy to OC and set the allowed wattage up. For mediocre use this will be more than enough. For some kind of gaming I'd put some descent cooler on it and go around 90-120 Watts. Still super low for CPU and GPU but should remove the bottle neck from the system. Then it's all about memore speed, I guess.

18 : Anonymous2021/04/01 11:31 ID: gt0qz14

I have a 4750g, 65w power doesn’t mean anything on APUs. Without touching CPU voltage and just overclock the memory and increasing gpu core voltage and frequency the my 4750g does 125-150w easily on like a folding at home workload. The thing will pull all the power your vrms can give it

19 : Anonymous2021/04/01 11:16 ID: gt0pkki

I mean, the 4700G used in OEM Machines do ok. Don’t forget that all Ryzen Desktop CPUs are unlocked so you could increase the voltage and clock speed

20 : Anonymous2021/04/01 10:20 ID: gt0ksq3

will rz 5300G be stronger then rz 3 3100?

21 : Anonymous2021/04/01 10:56 ID: gt0nsiq


22 : Anonymous2021/04/01 10:31 ID: gt0lonv

Eh, given their laptop 5000 chip release was full of Zen2 products I wouldn't hold out for these being particularly interesting. I'll bet the 5300 is a Zen2.

23 : Anonymous2021/04/01 11:02 ID: gt0obvn

That was the U series.

24 : Anonymous2021/04/01 11:16 ID: gt0pjii
25 : Anonymous2021/04/01 12:41 ID: gt0wwij

I will be looking at either a 5600G or 5700G or 5600X+GT1050Ti or 5800X+GT1050Ti for Video Editing

I wonder which would be cheaper, and which would be better for encoding

26 : Anonymous2021/04/01 13:49 ID: gt1439u

1050ti is 2016 old.

27 : Anonymous2021/04/01 14:38 ID: gt19xgu

it's a good card for non-gaming with it's 4GB VRAM. Manufacturing restarted this year so support should continue for some time. The NVENC doesn't seem to have changed that much:

28 : Anonymous2021/04/01 13:54 ID: gt14owx

Can you prove that

29 : Anonymous2021/04/01 14:04 ID: gt15s5s

I have my fingers crossed.
A 5600G with 128GByte ram on a B450 = a cheap and strong virtualization server. I dont need 5 series motherboard fatures if the cpu i pciE3

30 : Anonymous2021/04/01 14:06 ID: gt160nt

But the storage is PCIe2.0 on B450. Its PCIe3.0 on A520.

31 : Anonymous2021/04/01 14:17 ID: gt17bpb

it doesn't matter in reality I'd say.

So far I haven't seen ssd storage being the bottleneck in a generic virtualization box. It's ram almost every time with some rare nic ones as exceptions

If a lot of high speed storage is needed i would go far a HBA card in a 4 or 8 lane slot

32 : Anonymous2021/04/01 14:24 ID: gt187jv

APUS are so great already, all we need is RAM to catch up, or have it's own small pool of memory like the small devil's canyon line.

33 : Anonymous2021/04/01 15:00 ID: gt1csd7

Van Gogh and Rembrandt can't come soon enough.

I'm very interested to see how idle power consumption is on the 5000g series though, as I already can trust performance is great.

Has I/O die been 7nm on the 4000g series or is this new for 5000g?

34 : Anonymous2021/04/01 15:07 ID: gt1dqmj

Still waiting for the real g, that is amd athlon

35 : Anonymous2021/04/01 15:13 ID: gt1ej4r

I’ve been loving AMD lately. Haven’t touched any of their CPUs since highschool but I just upgraded my rig to the 3950x and I’m blown away. Back on team red.

36 : Anonymous2021/04/01 15:22 ID: gt1frza

Amd really like X700 alot

37 : Anonymous2021/04/01 15:39 ID: gt1hylj

Curious if APU demand will spike due to gpu shortages

38 : Anonymous2021/04/01 15:45 ID: gt1is5k

Is there any news regarding the iGPU performance?

39 : Anonymous2021/04/01 16:19 ID: gt1nb83

Funny think is that best available APU that you can buy now is Rocket lake 🙂 I don't have high hopes that this will be released also for DIY market only OEM. They need to release non-x Zen 3 first ...

40 : Anonymous2021/04/01 16:38 ID: gt1pvtc

Its already released for OEM only. check it out.

41 : Anonymous2021/04/01 16:24 ID: gt1o228

One of those chips gotta be better than a 580 8gb right?

42 : Anonymous2021/04/01 16:37 ID: gt1pt4d

They list the Renoir CPUs as Zen3, but they are Zen2, right?

43 : Anonymous2021/04/01 17:15 ID: gt1uuro

I'm hoping they will have the same capability in OCing memories as 4000 series.

44 : Anonymous2021/04/01 17:18 ID: gt1v6ce

Why not 5500G instead of 6? Or AMD doesn't like models sense of linearity?

45 : Anonymous2021/04/01 17:39 ID: gt1y706

Oh Yeah! Now its going to be interesting. Intels 12th. gen is rumored to be a big jump forward while AMD is progressing on its design which already had its big jump. Cant wait to see whats coming :popcorn:

46 : Anonymous2021/04/01 18:00 ID: gt212dx

i just want non X please

47 : Anonymous2021/04/01 18:34 ID: gt25eof

OEM only

48 : Anonymous2021/04/01 18:38 ID: gt25tdm

GPU is overpriced to hell and back right now thx to FU-Covid. The only lógical option are to be APUs but are nowhere to be seen.

My case in Peru: Best bang for buck CPU is the zen2 Ryzen 3100 4c/8t for $145. 3500X 6c/6t for $205 and 3600 6c/12t for $265

In a few stores I can find the 3400G for $220 (before covid it was $180), in most of the others $350+ LOL

2nd hand: Questionable Ryzen 3600 for $135 OEM tray 3600 for $160 Boxed 3600 $200

Minimal proper GPU I can find is the 1650 super for $260

"Cheapo gpu options" are the GT710 or the GT1030 for over $100 and worst than the 3400G iGPU.

I would gladly pay $220-250 for a 4650G.

49 : Anonymous2021/04/01 20:21 ID: gt2j774

April fool?

50 : Anonymous2021/04/01 20:24 ID: gt2jiag

I was waiting on the 5700g, but I think I'll wait for am5 apus instead, since I gave my am4 platform away.

51 : Anonymous2021/04/02 00:48 ID: gt3eds6

I would hope at least they would support more than 8 compute units, like the 11 CU 3400G. They need to have a desktop part with at least 16-18 CUs to at least do lower end with enough functionality for modest gaming, but still remain cost effective. They also need to break away from the Vega cores and look into pushing Navi technology.


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