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AMD Ryzen 9 5900 and Ryzen 7 5800 OEM non-X processors are now available - VideoCardz.com
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SZCPU store on AliExpress always has OEM CPUs in stock. Good price too. I guess I'm waiting to see if they stock these soon.
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This is the 5800 that I wantm why the hell do they sell it as OEM only.
ID: gucmkb7ID: guctn2yI mean shit there is still pretty close to MSRP lol
ID: gucnya2If you're in Australia, there is actually a retailer that sells OEM processors, (though they don't have the non-x versions, they do have OEM 5600Xs and 5800Xs, as well as a few from Zen2)
ID: gucp27tSame here in the Phillippines. 4000s are always available here from brick and mortar stores.
ID: gucq9yaUmart or MSY? Or someone else?
ID: guct2ukIn Europe, many retailers sell OEM CPUs.
ID: gucyf18havent seen m pop up last generation even in NL? But will keep an eye out. Thanks!
ID: gucmblqBecause AMD now have the commanding lead so they want to maximise profit. It's just good capitalism, they can do that so long as Intel continues to flounder. I think OEM sells far more than to system builders so big numbers talk.
ID: gucqa0qDo they sell it for a higher price to OEMs than what it could sell for to everyone, or how is it more profitable to limit sales?
ID: guct6xyI doubt that's the reason. Right now I believe it's primarily because they have limited resources. Before the OEM didn't really care and the amount needed was not that important. But now, with OEMs flocking to AMD...
Intel had a fuckload more OEM sales as AMD and has the infrastructure from it. AMD was forced to sell their manufacturing and TSMC won't be able to give AMD the resources needed to fight on so many different fronts.
Not to mention that production needs months to plan and roll out. So it's basically crystal ball work. Means, OEM want the cheapest shit and you have only really limited resources, it makes sense to limit the sales for some time. Because the OEM sales are more important for the company then individuals. Not only in terms of profit, but also in terms of market share, long time planning/success, brand build etc.
Rental market is fluctuating and the ppl there tend to buy whatever they seem the best. There's some brand loyalty, but they tend to change quite easily. While in OEM you can plan with long time contracts etc. and if one gen of CPUs is not as awesome, the OEM won't easily abandon you from that, because they're not that flexible, as they also buy other components for the planned products.
ID: gud1425Here in Germany you can buy them no problem... it is the same like Microsoft SB Editions and such... they all end up in retail.
ID: gucrb06Because AMD, Nvidia and Intel aren't your friends.
ID: gucss2dOne word: Supply. If they sell to multiple channels, then the product gets split up between those channels. But if they sell to only one channel, that one channel gets 100% of the product. So between that and things others have mentioned, it makes sense why these CPUs would be OEM exclusive for the moment.
ID: gudn5nsSame. This 5800 looks very much like the imaginary "5700x" many people including myself have been waiting for. A 8c/16t at 65w.
I want it. But it is OEM... FFS.
ID: gudns83You can get Ryzen 7 5800X and turn on Eco Mode to get 65W TDP.
ID: gudal00Get Ryzen 7 5800X and turn on Eco Mode.
Problem solved.
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Give us 5600 already!
ID: gud6d0uAMD: we enjoy losing mid range marketshare to Intel
ID: gudbfvsAMD: we enjoy selling out of all our highest margin items and plan to keep focusing on those
ID: gue8qeoI'm more interested in the 5700x, personally. I want a binned 8-core 65w chip (non-OEM, of course).
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Question: can you take a 5800 and overclock it straight back to being a 5800X. The boosts are nearly the same so at a guess they're similar bins but with a lower TDP. You can put the TDP as high as you want if you have a suitable cooler though right?
ID: gud91d1Pretty much. The only thing that was different between the 3700x and 3800x was a better bin on the 3800x. Resulting in a 2-3% difference only.
ID: gudcj7tThe whole point is 65W TDP.
If you overclocked it, it wouldn't have a 65W TDP anymore.
ID: gudmq5lNah, the whole point is OEM. They like lower wattage cpus because they want to use cheap coolers.
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The reason why AMD is making these for OEM is so that they can target workplaces where a lot or most employees need an insanely powerful processor. Places like vfx studios, game companies, etc. Corporate doesn't buy parts so that PCs are assembled. They view that as risky and weird. They will, however, happily buy OEMs.
A lot of people in these industries have been pushing AMD about this exact issue for years. They were stuck with crappy CPUs just because AMD's powerhouses weren't OEM. This is precisely what they were hoping for and hopefully we'll be able to see AMD a lot more in such industries.
ID: gudicnhWorkplaces don’t want these CPUs that need dGPUs though. That’s why Intel dominate this market because the crappy Intel HD graphics is enough to run visual studio and excel.
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If you set a 5800X to 65W Eco mode isn't it essentially the same thing?
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ID: gud5f07Hmmm... interesting insight here
ID: gudk2rtThank you. I try to stay knowledgeable but sometimes my phone and pocket.. well they speak for themselves.
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Let's be honest at least they are going to actual pcs and not getting scalped
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sigh stil waiting here
ID: gudmdyeYou can buy Ryzen 7 5800X or Ryzen 9 5900X and turn on Eco Mode
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Welp, time to wait until some of those OEM only winds up to someone and decided to sell them thru alibaba
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i need something affordable like ryzen 3
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I'm really getting sick of this OEM-only BS.
ID: gucxyn2You usually can still buy OEM cpus. They just don't come with coolers.
EX:
3900X retail
vs 3900x OEM:
or even the oem only 3500x:
ID: gucvq5sIntel, AMD and Nvidia have all done this for 20 years?
Different markets with different needs
Sometimes you can find OEM chips for sale at retailers if there's a particular OEM only model you're looking for but generally you wouldn't want an OEM chip unless it's a lot cheaper, they're usually cut down or rebranded versions of the retail chip
ID: gud9t3xIntel, AMD and Nvidia have all done this for 20 years?
Maybe that's why his sick of it?
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I hope that the small local system builders count as "OEM" rather than just the big names like Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc.
ID: gucvsiiProbably a minimum order quantity. If you're building 5-10 systems a month you probably don't buy direct from AMD but the bigger companies that do 100+ units a month might
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We don't even know if this silicon is necessarily binned worse, so I'm not sure we'll ever see these widely available and cheaper than their cousins.
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So like will the 5950x be out by summer? Tryna splurge for graduation/freedom
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5800 should been 350 from The start n it would have been the hot seller.
ID: gucl9tsThey've only just managed to get on top of demand, months after launch. seems like they were hot sellers regardless.
ID: gucw6c7Well the 5800x has been available for months here in Norway, there has been a shortage of 5600x and 5900x/5950x though.
ID: gucor01the 5800x is the best 8 core option current gen anyway, since the 11700k costs the same or more. In my country at least.
ID: gudulxxThose are not the normal prices though.
Also I'd say neither the 5800x or 11700k are the best 8C options as they're both too expensive. It's the 10700KF which has been sub $300. Nothing can beat that in price/performance. Even the 10700(F) & 11700(F) are great options.
引用元:https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/mpxh9h/amd_ryzen_9_5900_and_ryzen_7_5800_oem_nonx/
This is because AMD is focusing a lot on the prebuild market which is a market where they historically had very low marketshare.