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AMD launches Ryzen 5000G “Cezanne” desktop CPUs with integrated graphics
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FYI: OEM only
ID: gudhtpzID: gueg84yThis expresses my feelings accurately.
ID: gue51lwAmd said they will release to diy market later this year
ID: guf0k6cHey, put that table down.
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ID: guf8kprI'm sure Taobao or Aliexpress will have them soon
ID: gue1ob5Well until the market demands them more than OEM, this is gonna keep happening. Or until Intel is somehow far ahead of AMD again where they need to risk selling them at all fronts.
Yay capitalism?
ID: gudxd30One other thought: Given that GPUs are few and far between, though, and the performance is within striking distance of a 5800X in our 2021 DIY market, the 5700G may actually end up being a fair price after import fees, all considered.
ID: guf3o1aNo warranty though, if you send it in, AMD will destroy it.
ID: gue7nd4fucking shit am I stuck with 3400g now?
ID: gueek8zNow and for foreseeable future too. And a half of year over that too. Maybe a little longer...
ID: guewb054000 series APUs are available on eBay. I got a 4350g from Korea last month for a htpc/storage build. 4 cores 8 threads and great temps for $220.
Correction: got the 4350g for $180.
ID: gudxw6wI just found a "possible" silver lining to this initial dark cloud. Based on this statement, it seems AMD has stated officially that they are planning on bringing the 5000G series to the DIY market later this year.
ID: guenhb9Hello! This is correct. The AMD Ryzen 5000 G-Series will initially be available in pre-built systems and we look forward to bringing it to the channel for DIY customers later this year.
ID: gudtgf3In other words, no surprises here. The rumors sounded too good to be true. So only the adventurous who don't mind ship forwarding or importing need apply. And, by the way, APU availability overall, even for the older 3000G and 2000G series, remains spotty at best. AMD is failing to shore up this key DIY market and is instead allowing their entire APU line to go to pot. And that's a crying shame.
ID: guewdjkALIEXPRESS GO BRRRR
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Give us 5300 or 5600
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AMD is missing out on a large market here... 4750G is selling for $375+ on eBay without warranty. AMD could charge a premium for the APUs over their CPUs and they would still sell well.
Had a system where the 2400G became too slow and the 3400G wasn't enough uplift... The 4750G was the only logical choice even with a motherboard upgrade thrown in because the existing board didn't support newer APUs.
The 5000 series needs retail variants... Which, supposedly, are coming later.
ID: gudmc9iI believe they would sell to DIY market if they had secure enough wafers and substrates, unfortunately they failed (or too risky 2 years ago) to do so (same as most other semiconductor companies)
Intel secured extra substrate supply (of this year) in 2019, extra substrate ordered by AMD will put into production next quarter.
ID: gudu3jl4750G is selling for $375+ on eBay without warranty.
You can always purchase a warranty from SquareTrade when you order. And I saw at least one user claim here recently who got AMD to actually provide warranty service even though it was technically OEM. The kicker was AMD sent him a CPU back instead of an APU (I believe a 3700X for his defective 4750G), and that creates a major issue for GPU-less builds.
ID: guduq2iThat's one of the rare times I consider SquareTrade to be a good idea.
ID: guex152Why do you need a warranty for a cpu? When it comes to cpus, it's either a doa in which case you can issue a refund request through paypal buyer protection, or it works for a decade.
ID: gudrv9b4750G is selling for $375+ on eBay without warranty.
I'm only seeing examples in the $420-$450 range on ebay. Aliexpress has them for as low as $399
ID: guduo8aPrices change quickly.
ID: gudl4jjHow are they missing on anything when they can't even produce half of what they released the last 6 months? well yeah they are missing out from that logic and they cannot do anything about it.
ID: gudlzbiFair enough... production issues are definitely putting a hamper on everything.
ID: gue2sb4I bit the bullet and bought a Lenovo pre-built (Think Centre M75q). I was waiting for the barebone ASUS PN50 with 4800U to become available, but it seemed like I'd be waiting for months.
The price on the M75q was actually pretty good. It came with the 4750GE (8c/16t, 35W), Windows 10 Pro, 512GB NVMe SSD, and 16GB (single stick) for $736.
ID: guetrj0God Lenovo's design language really is amongst the worst in the industry...
ID: gue4paxA zen3 8core chiplet is less than half the size of a Cezanne chip. They are making the most out of their wafer allocation
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Given the discrete GPU market, this could be a very attractive option. You will need a mobo that has display ports built in OFC. You can make do with this and then pair a GPU with it for an extra boost.
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The PRO versions (which have AMD Dash, which is like IPMI, plus TPM support) have already been leaked by a few SIs/OEMs such as HP. The expectation is products with the PRO versions will launch in a few weeks.
I've had multiple orders outstanding for some tiny form factor (1L) Renoir machines either canceled and/or heavily slip on their ship date for a while now. Lenovo straight up killed their product lines. My guess is I'll end up canceling the orders for my 4750GE boxes for 5750GE boxes in a few weeks when those replacement products launch.
AMD has said these APUs will be available via retail channels for DIYers later this year. I wouldn't necessarily expect the PRO versions for that, but we should see things like the 5700G and 5700GE available via places like NewEgg probably in Q3 or Q4.
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So did the iGPU get worse on the top end 5700g compared to the 4750g?
ID: gueo9t9No its not worse, its not an upgrade tho. The czn apus have a slightly better igpu so even with the 100mhz loss its probably going to perform roughly the same.
ID: gudmwidThe XX50 is a value added series intended for business/enterprise hardware. The baseline XX00 series is for consumer prebuilts.
ID: gue9g1q4750G clocks are the same, as 4700G.
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They gave us absolutely no budget CPU this time around. What the hell are they thinking? Been really looking forward to a 5300g. Absolute fucking nonsense. How can you smash the competition and yourself so hard?
ID: gudv0e0they thinking about profit. manufacturing capacity is limited so have to prioritize what will generate the most, and definitely it's not by selling a $100 or $200 cpu to diy market. they're really just left low end diy market to Intel
ID: gudtkh2If you want budget, you should buy previous gen or buy Intel. There's enough silicon shortage and production issues that AMD can't meet demand of the existing products. Why would they go out of their way to sell lower margin parts if they can't make enough?
ID: gueffuiactually it would be business suicide to prioritize the unstable and small market (DIY) compared to the huge, stable (contracts), and brand-building opportunities with regular people and businesses (OEMs).
so AMD is in fact trying to steal as much market share from intel as they can. and DIY is a tiny portion of all computers. DIY is the cherry on top of the ice cream, or the decorations on the top of the cake.
selling DIY over OEMs would destroy their revenue and delay brand-building for several years, there would be massive layoffs, the stock would crash, CEO and other business strategists would be replaced, etc. DIY builders are but a tiny asteroid in a vast galaxy.
simply put, because DIY market is so tiny (and therefore less valuable), there is literally nothing that can happen to the DIY market, short of Intel and NVIDIA shutting down, that would make AMD shift APUs to DIY.
ID: gueelzxThat's why competition is good. AMD really kicked Intel's ass, and then raised prices and eliminated low-end options - which makes Intel the Value option, crazy as that sounds.
So it's in every customer's interest for Intel's Alder Lake and whatever comes after it to be a huge success as well, to increase competition. And for AMD to also keep up to not allow Intel to get complacent ever again.
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Fine then, can't wait for Alder Lake and ARMs.
ID: gudtpn0I'm not expecting much there since Intel is keeping graphics core counts low for their desktop parts. That's why Xe Graphics was underwhelming on Rocket Lake and most reviewers didn't even bother to benchmark it.
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Was looking forward to buying these, very disappointing AMD.
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Is this even going to be worth considering if I already have a 4750g (O_o)...
ID: gudt00gonly if you really want zen3 cores. the igpu will be about the same.
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Im surprised in how little "paper" differences there are between these and the 4000 series APU's. I know there is architectural differences, but will it add up to much? Probably not.
ID: gudvfxnimagine zen 2 cpu performance to zen 3 but igpu is the same and lack pcie 4.0, there you go. and l3 cache is double compared to renoir so maybe the gen over gen improvement of this apu maybe will be larger than that of desktop version
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AMD is starting to act a little like Intel methinks. That ' you'll buy what we sell you and LIKE IT" mentality and gambling that their fans will maintain their Apple - like devotion to their products.
I bought a Ryzen 5 4650 from Ebay myself for about $255 6 months ago. + cost of ala carte fan + gunk so figure $290-ish net .
That being said - I noticed NEWEGG is now stocking the AMD RYZEN 3 PRO 4350G (4C) of the RENOIR series for $161 and the 4650 G (6C 12T) for $340
The 4 core is actually sold by Newegg, the 6 C is an outside seller. FYI
Both are OEM. No box, no cooler, just a plastic tray.
ID: guf4xn5In a world where all their chips sell out instantly and there’s no capacity to make more chips, the smart thing to do is to focus on high-margin premium products and raise MSRP.
AMD has actually behaved pretty well given the circumstances.
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AMD really don't want to offer any Cpus of value this gen. First the 5800 and 5900 non x and now the 5xxxgs
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I wish there will be a OEM that builds this in a case with a good IO-ports array with built-in SD card reader, audio Jack's and all the handy ports in the front
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cries in no hdmi 2.1**
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Is that Navi or Vega?
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Vega. igpu performance is essentially the same. Which is more than a little disappointing.
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Does this make the Ryzen 5 3400g a really bad choice now in terms of price-value?
Just got it and can still return... I only play league tho
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This is nice. My family have a small grocery shop, and they need a computer for day to day operation. I can just buy an Athlon 200GE + Asrock A300/X300 for them to work on, and maybe upgrade it with 5000G in the future when it came out for consumer (non-OEM)
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The 2 games that look impressive, CS:GO and Fortnite, were probably just CPU bottlenecked, right? I'm talking about the comparison vs. the 4700G. This probably brings the integrated graphics in Cezanne on par with Rocket Lake. Was hoping for RDNA2, but I guess that's for the AM5 lineup.
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Yeah OEM only but like my beloved 4750G they will be sold anyway here in japan. 😛
Why I says beloved 4750G ? it allowed me to sell my RTX2070 2.5 time the price I paid it to mining imbeciles.
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OEM ONLY
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Yeah, well then, fuck you too! I'm holding off my next build. Those i5-11400's are starting to look mighty tasty compared to a tease, especially since I can't get an [expletive] add-on GPU anyway.
引用元:https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/mq2sqk/amd_launches_ryzen_5000g_cezanne_desktop_cpus/
OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
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