AMD has a motherboard that supports 4 SOCKETS, 21 arhitectures and 229+ different CPU-s

1 : Anonymous2021/04/22 10:20 ID: mw1ors

From a 35W AMD Sempron 3000+ to an unofficial FX 8370E support(it supports Vishera), this board (at least) have it all.

Maybe they are more in the wild, but it seems fascinating that a motherboard from 2012 could have all of this, meanwhile we're stuck at many X370's not even receiving Zen 3 CPU support.

2 : Anonymous2021/04/22 10:22 ID: gvffym4

It also has 2 DDR generations, and support for more CPU-s that are written there. It has even powerhungry Phenom II X6 CPU-s, and also a 25W Opteron. Wow. Sadly, it's not even an AMD chipset.

ID: gvgiylo

Technically, only the recent X5xx chipsets are AMD's own chipsets on AM4... the reast are subbed out to ASMedia.

Even though Nvidia made this chipset... it *is* an AMD chipset.

3 : Anonymous2021/04/22 10:28 ID: gvfgb7z

AMD has a motherboard

No they don't. This is an ASRock board with an Nvidia chipset.

ID: gvh9xgg

I didn't know Nvidia made motherboard chipsets o.o

ID: gvhex55

So you've missed out on a whole generation playing games on nvidia nForce integrated graphics

ID: gvhap56

How old are you?

ID: gvhpq7c

They used to, until Intel decided not to renew Nvidia's chipset licence.

ID: gvhxzwn

Nvidia had their own chipsets for a while I think in the early 2000s

ID: gvfgoec

Well, it's still an AMD board after all.

ID: gvfjj8d

But the extreme compatibility is the result of the Nvidia chipset, not anything from AMD.

4 : Anonymous2021/04/22 10:59 ID: gvfiisl

meanwhile we're stuck at many X370's not even receiving Zen 3 CPU support

But ASRock did provide (unofficial) Zen 3 support to many of their A320/B350/X370 mobos, so I don't really see what is worse with their mobos now.

With an ASRock A320M Pro4 which is among the lowest end of AM4 mobos you can run 10 Architectures and 80 officially and ~30 unofficially supported CPUs:

Bristol Ridge Summit Ridge Raven Ridge Raven2 Pinnacle Ridge Picasso Matisse Matisse refresh Renoir (with unofficial BIOS P6.71) Vermeer (with unofficial BIOS P6.71)
ID: gvfol9d

Indeed, and next upgrade I probably won't be buying Gigabyte again for that reason.

I also won't believe that AMD will have any better support than Intel,. since they don't - they lied about AM4.

ID: gvgcdl3

Last I checked, AMD only promised AM4 support until 2020. Saying that AMD arent better than Intel when Intel made unnecessary changes to break socket compatibility. I get being upset at AMD because they only supported 3 generations of CPUs on the first chipset for the socket that they said they would support, but be real.

ID: gvglkrx

Where do you find these unofficial BIOS?

ID: gvfja3m

That's correct, but can they all run with the unofficial bios?

ID: gvfjsmu

P6.71 drops support for Bristol Ridge I think, but the other CPUs run with it. If you want Bristol Ridge support you can downgrade to an earlier BIOS.

5 : Anonymous2021/04/22 10:52 ID: gvfi0jq

AMD has a motherboard that supports 4 SOCKETS, 21 arhitectures and 229+ different CPU-s

B450 motherboards support all Ryzen CPUs, so this does exist.

Anyway, the moment I tried to upgrade an nForce board to Windows 10 was the moment I was sorry I got one. NVIDIA might have made a decent chip, but no long term support is a problem.

many X370's not even receiving Zen 3 CPU support.

Your example is backwards. This is an end of life motherboard. B550 would have been a better example. It doesn's support early AM4 CPUs, which is indeed a problem, as I see it.

Still, many AM2/AM3/AM4 motherboards also didn't support all CPUs.

ID: gvgfdnd

But it's one socket - AM4

ID: gvh8jji

I don't get your argument, it seems like you're arguing just to argue, this board is far more substantial compatibility wise than a B450 board. It officially supports anywhere from the Athlon 64 to FX chips, with DDR2 and DDR3 slots on the board to do so, there's nothing even remotely comparable.

ID: gvi82xw

I don't see why would anyone put Zen1 CPU in B450.

Also I dont understand a "problem" with B550 not supporting Zen1 and Zen1+.

ID: gvin8cs

I take it you have never had a motherboard die, but have the CPU still working just fine then?

Also upgrading motherboard and then CPU is another path to consider. Especially given 5000 series availability can be spotty - or at least was, especially if you want to go after a 16 core variant.

Basically, it enables more flexibility with piecemeal upgrading / part replacement.

6 : Anonymous2021/04/22 10:57 ID: gvfifcf

This was actually pretty common back in the day when CPUs weren't yet SoCs and the chipset (northbridge) was there to translate between what's on the motherboard and the CPU.

Socket 7 motherboards famously supported CPUs from Cyrix/IBM, IDT, and Rise Technology in addition to the usual Intel and AMD. It was also backwards-compatible with Socket 5.

7 : Anonymous2021/04/22 10:25 ID: gvfg65e

I loved that Asrock board

8 : Anonymous2021/04/22 12:30 ID: gvfqdqw

I had an ASRock mobo that supported multiple Intel CPU archs and DDR2 & DDR3 and had an AGP(!) slot.

It was complete garbage. I can't imagine this one being any better. It's best to avoid these weird Swiss army knife products.

ID: gvhyl90

When pcie was becoming new I wanted an agp/pcie board so it could make the move cheaper and smoother instead of needing a new gpu and mb but ended up not doing that. That was a poopy time.

ID: gvi91yj

Yeah these boards aren't worth it. Maybe if it was high-end, but that basically defeats the purpose.

9 : Anonymous2021/04/22 14:45 ID: gvg6qim

I have this board, it's pretty fun picking up Athlon x2 and phenom for cheap and putting the juice to them. Every am2 + amd am3 cpu I have tried has worked in the board.

10 : Anonymous2021/04/22 10:26 ID: gvfg8n3

It's almost like modern CPUs are way more complex, huh. But nah, that can't be, #FuckAMD amirite

ID: gvfifkt

They are complex. Boards are less complex than they used to be as functions have moved to the CPU.

It's also funny because x370 is x470 so support for one and not the other is not a technical matter.

ID: gvfgnh2

I never said that it's AMD-s fault or that the new ones aren't complex, but if this could be done back in 2012, aren't we supposed to evolve?

ID: gvh9uli

I don't understand the downvotes you received, it's a perfectly valid question. There's nothing stopping what was done with this board from happening again, but back then Nvidia was producing desktop and laptop chipsets, and this occurred in a very odd time when things like the memory controller had moved from the motherboard to the CPU, and with AM2 and AM3 being physically compatible I'm sure this board was just a project for a team at AsRock that wanted to release a sort of proof of concept that showed how by having the memory controller on the CPU, it was possible to have a motherboard with different memory slots to address memory in combination with the Nvidia chipset that supported so many CPUs.

Since AM3 and AM4 are not physically compatible, it'd be nearly impossible for a board like this to be released again. The only chance of this happening again would be if AMD's next socket is the same physically as AM4 and they release a chipset that is compatible with both Zen 3 and the next gen CPUs along with a motherboard with both DDR4 and DDR5 slots. For regular consumers this makes no sense, since why would you buy a motherboard with memory slots that cannot all be used at the same time.

ID: gvfgos2

It's impossible to "evolve" on all possible metrics without making tradeoffs.

11 : Anonymous2021/04/22 10:56 ID: gvfibfr


ID: gvfr85k

There's virtually no difference between 300 and 400 series so it's bollocks, to the point you crossflash some 400 series BIOS on some 300 series motherboards. Asrock entire B450 lineup is literally copy pasted B350. It's entirely virtual segmentation, not technical. In fact, Asrock released beta BIOSes for 300 series that supports 5000 series CPU.

ID: gvfoxlt

There wasn't really a big difference in pin outs and voltages between all the CPU's this mobo supports


Voltage on Zen has barely moved - where voltage difference between Athlon64X2 and Piledriver is huge.

plus the CPU's it did support were fairly "simple" compared to what we have now

Wrong too?

Before you needed a North Bridge connected via HT to even boot, now the CPUs are a full SoC - they don't even need a chipset.

The only reason for the lack of support is business - they want more money.

12 : Anonymous2021/04/22 10:54 ID: gvfi74i

back in the day, amd needed to support as many cpus as possible and give as many reasons to people to choose amd cause their cpus were basically low end, almost trash. Actually, that board is a board with an nvidia chipset so the merit is actually of nvidia's, who also tried to maximize their potential by supporting everything.

nowadays, amd is becoming what intel was previously and people freaking don't understand this. A company is nice as long as it has to gain marketshare. After it gains marketshare, the milking can start and product segmentation is no longer a problem, cause someone will pay the price.

Get used to that, amd is no longer a value brand.

ID: gvfjd8l

AMD is nowhere close to have good marketshare. They are rising, which is good but still far behind.

13 : Anonymous2021/04/22 12:25 ID: gvfpzdy

did this guy just learn about socket am3?

ID: gvgijlz


14 : Anonymous2021/04/22 17:52 ID: gvgxmmz

Only exceptional thing is that here one provider decide to go fully through fetarures that AM2/AM3/+ upgrade path offers.

AMD meant it to be this way and even promised this will be possible at introduction of AM2 platform.

But MoBo manufacturers like planned obsolescence so...

15 : Anonymous2021/04/22 20:33 ID: gvhkawn

Sempron, now that's a name I've not heard in a long time.

16 : Anonymous2021/04/22 21:31 ID: gvhsfxx

It doesn't support 4 sockets, it only has one socket. It supports different generations of CPUs tho but so do most of AMDs sockets.

17 : Anonymous2021/04/22 22:04 ID: gvhwwus

There's actually another board from them which has official support for 8 cores and an AMD chipset for those who care about that:

That said as other have mentioned none of these combo boards (of which there's at least one other from ASRock which doesn't officially support FX, and I think MSI might have had one as well) are very good. The VRMs on all of them are from what I can tell pure trash and I've heard that the FX chips throttle in them at stock. I did actually acquire one of these boards for the lols and want to see if it's possible to strap VRM cooling on it to either remove that throttle or maybe get 125W CPUs to run in them without blowing up. (I pulled the data sheets and I think it should be possible, but not sure what the BIOS will do.)

One thing to remember is that these boards came out after the FX was released making the fact that they can run AM2 processors highly niche. I suspect that rationale for developing them was so that these boards could be drop in replacements for office PCs running Athlon 64 or Phenom CPUs that had their motherboard die. I really can't think of any other reason.

In any case the point is it's really not comparable to an X370 running Zen 3 since it would be more like a A520 board running Bristol Ridge. There are, however, some AM2 boards which could take Phenom II chips since the Phenom II did have both a DDR2 and DDR3 controller on die. (Although off hand I don't know if I've seen any AM2 boards with official support for the X6s.) Those would be the more practical comparison.

18 : Anonymous2021/04/22 23:50 ID: gvia3vi

So it's not QUITE 4 sockets.

AM2/AM2+/AM3/AM3+ are all sorta kinda the same socket with some overlap of compatibility.

It's more like 2 sockets with varying naming schemes and compatibility levels.


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