They ran their own CPU out of spec. The i7-1195G7 is supposed to be 15-28W, but they ran it at 28-35W aka it was running at 35W full blast during those benches.
RIP battery life on Intel laptops.ID: h030hp5ID: h038f6w
i7 laptops have throttled badly with every chip past 6th gen how could you possibly OC one hahaID: h0436k9
And when you say designed around the 28W max spec, you mean it can burst 28W for a short period of time. You can tweak this in some programs (the power bug fix may have killed this, it made my Asus laptop with a 9th Gen Intel CPU never enter low power mode) but you can’t really make the full power mode last an infinite amount of time, especially when the laptop has heat pipes shared by the CPU and GPU and you have a combined load.ID: h03je6q
It will for PL2. PL2 is ~64W for the quad core TGL chips under performance mode.ID: h03vfc2
how is this allowed as official marketing? should be illegal as they market something that will never operate at that condition in an actual laptop...ID: h03xyjj
It is a 35W laptop, though - that's the problem. Intel advertise the CPU as 15-28W but it runs at 35W, or even higher, when it's doing anything heavy duty.ID: h03ni1r
It seems to be the tactic of intel now is just to pump as much power as they can on laptops so they can win at some market. All i5 processors are at 35w each. Even the last update on how much they use for the max is insane. the i9 11980HK is currently at 65w.ID: h03hwhs
Linus recently released a video on these. Half the battery life of the equivalent Ryzen processor.ID: h03ugfl
they have no excuses for creating something that has 50% worse battery life on the same generation as the competition. makes it look stupid on ultrathin-class laptops especially when something like M1 exists.ID: h03j7k0
FWIW the 11th gen cores can operate pretty fast at 7.5W TDP-down.
At 15W they're very competitive to AMD 6 core at 15W.
I'd still take an 8 core AMD though.
I'm wondering how they fare against the ryzen 7 5800HS (35W) or (ryzen 9 5980hs also 35W)
since they want to put 35W APU in thin notebooksID: h03uq25
Intel thinks 5900HS only deserves to be compared with 11400H for some reason.
Yeah... Intel again with high frequency memory and AMD system crippled with crap memory speeds.
Fuck Intel. They will do it again and again and again.
Intel System: LPDDR4-4267Mhz, 16GB (2x8GB), dual channel and dual rank
AMD: 2x8GB DDR4-3200MhzID: h03fhpc
Intel System: LPDDR4-4267Mhz, 16GB (2x8GB), dual channel and dual rank
Actually, LPDDR4 would be running in quad channelID: h03hr8k
Lpddr4 is 2X 16bit=32bit so quad channel is equivalent to ddr4 dual channel which is 64bit x2
Edit- correctionID: h0389t1
What struck me was the "Handbrake Nightly" why would you benchmark in a nightly build? This obviously has some very specific optimisation that benefits Intel and not AMD. Normal people aren't encoding films on nightly builds, too much chance for crashes or encoding errors.ID: h03g2ey
The last time they did this the excuse was that some specific Intel QuickSync optimisation was in a nightly build and wouldn't be available in the public release for a few weeks, but they used it anyway.ID: h03ih6w
Nightly is fine for testing since it means you get the latest and greatest features and optimizations. Nightly builds are fine for encoding films, as the encoding libraries themselves(such as x264 and x265 or HW encoding) have to be stable.
In fact, before I moved to ffmpeg and using the encoders directly, I always used Handbrake Nightly.
The only requirement when doing benchmarking is that you specify which Nightly version was used, which is not the case here.ID: h038wt6
Its not really a 1 to 1 test when they stack the variables in their advantageID: h03r7jb
The company behind always does this. Even the company ahead will mess with the charts to exaggerate the 2-3% performance difference.
Which is why you should wait till your favorite independent reviewer actually benchmarks it.
Intel is also claiming the title of having the "World’s Best Processor for Thin-and-Light Windows Laptops"ID: h02vuc5
best processor for thin and light laptops so long as you have a power cord and massive cooling.ID: h03npqa
Thin and light with a 3 Slot cooler on topID: h02eo6d
lmao. Intel you have a mobile processor, just don't be desperate in your marketing. We are not stupid, we know in power efficiency, you suck!ID: h03079h
Even worse here, since power efficiency is a much more sought after aspect of mobile CPUs than on desktop ones.ID: h03e1v9
It's not just power efficiency, it's also actually in raw performance. When you let the 5900H consume as much power as the TL H models do in these burst workloads, it actually performs the same or better than the TL H models.ID: h03ca2r
Ah. It would seem Intel has wizened up a little bit and is being careful about how they word things, now that Apple has a capable processor in their laptops.ID: h038rwm
They can claim whatever they want I'm going AMD.
I have a better point. Who the hell is naming Intel units? I wouldn't have a slightest idea what '1195G7' is without a benchmark.ID: h02nwvv
What don't you get, it's the 1195th i7 that came off the production band and it's equipped with a Glock 7. You better stop shittalking it or you'll have a knock knock on your door at night, you'll open up the door and see that it's all real, with the non-stop, pop-pop of stainless steel.ID: h03rbcr
i7 gon’ give it to ya!ID: h02t2s1
It's not that hard, they just cut out adding an extra zero at the end. If they called it the 11950 it'd probably look a bit more familiar to people who buy desktop parts.
AMD: 5 - gen / 800 - placement in the product stack / H - product line suffix
Intel: 11 - gen / 95 - placement in the product stack / G7 - product line suffix
G7 in the suffix indicates it's got the good IGP with 96 EUs.ID: h0312dr
Or maybe 80 EUs.ID: h03g0t5
The same one who gave us 14nm++++++.
This is why you never trust first party claims, from any of them, Intel, and, or Nvidia, always wait on 3rd party benchmarks.
Edit: the "and" in-between Intel and Nvidia is supposed to be "AMD"ID: h03rfdk
Yeah, AMD is guilty of this too with their GPUs. Not to the same degree, but it is a good thing to note. Wait for reviewer benchmarks, don’t trust companies.
Processor: Intel® Core™ i7-1195G7 processor PL1=28W with Intel® Dynamic Tuning Technology (Intel® DTT) enabled at 35W, 4C8T, Memory: LPDDR4-4267MHz, 16GB (2x8GB), dual channel and dual rank, Storage: Samsung MZVL21T0HCLR-00B00, Display Resolution: 1920x1080p, OS: Microsoft Windows 10 20H2-19042.928 Power policy set to AC/Balanced mode for all benchmarks except SYSmark 25 which is measured in AC/BAPCo mode for Performance. All benchmarks run in Admin mode. Graphics: Intel® Xe Graphics, Graphics driver: 126.96.36.19919, Bios version: 309 measured on MSI Prestige 14 pre-production laptop. Performance with Intel® DTT will vary based on chassis design choices, chassis temperature thresholds, cooling solutions, form factors (xyz dimensions), air flow, and ambient air temperatures. Vs. Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 5800U processor, 8C16T, Memory: 2x8GB DDR4-3200MHz, Storage: Samsung MZVLQ512HALU-000H1, Display Resolution: 1920x1080p, OS: Microsoft Windows 10 20H2-19042.844. Power policy set to AC/Balanced mode for all benchmarks except SYSmark 25 which is measured in AC/BAPCo mode for Performance. All benchmarks run in Admin mode. Graphics: AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics, Graphics driver: 27.20.21002.112, Bios version: 01.02 measured on HP Probook 455 G8. Testing done using the system's out-of-box performance profile, with Windows EPP slider set to "better performance". Observed 15W sustained power level with bursts at ~25W from AMD's μProf tool. Testing as of May 21, 2021ID: h02kh9h
dual channel and dual rank
Note the Intel config has dual rank memory. I wonder if that gave them another edge over the 2x8GB RAM config used by 5800U.ID: h02xn3q
reviews of asus strix scar 15 in 16GB (2x8gb single rank) vs 32GB (2x16gb dual rank) both being DDR4 3200 (timings aren't specified but should be the same) show that performances are better with the dual rank memory by a non negligible marginID: h02sp2d
I think it have more to do with intel ram at 4267Mhz against amd ram at 3200MhzID: h02vkds
Holy crap..... I knew there would be a difference but 1000mhz difference in RAM? Balanced mode for AMD.... and I guarantee that it isn't the nice Samsung storage either, wow this is more garbage than I thought!
Here is Linus showing off intel 11th gen i7 :
It seems like they need a lot of power to outperform AMD.ID: h03djfu
Yea true. And from an eco standpoint that’s bad. But if you have a laptop with the cooling capabilities. I would assume that you aren’t gaming on the battery. Making the intel CPU better for now. As long as the cooling suffices. Also surprisingly. It’s 10nm.
This is absolute omegacringe intel are actually full on gimps
“Hey guys, if we raise the power requirement we can get higher clock speeds!”
Well its well known with more power stuff goes faster usually.
Includes global warming btw
Right Intel, right?
Man, are they seriously that desperate to get beat AMD in the laptop space that they would not only throw out battery life, but cripple dedicated gpu performance to get full cpu performance since the cpu would just be to power hungry
I know we're in a bad time for computers/electronics in general, but man, they could atleast try something different
Hell could have beat amd in the notebook space and went with low tdp low wattage chips with great notebook performance
its also LP4x vs DDR4...
i mean TGL is faster without this BS, i just dont get it
Yep. And it will absolutely not run 35W in any actual physical laptop designed around the 28W max spec