[LTT] I tried Steam Deck early and it’s AWESOME!

1 : Anonymous2021/08/06 17:17 ID: ozb47x
[LTT] I tried Steam Deck early and it's AWESOME!
2 : Anonymous2021/08/06 18:20 ID: h7ypz4g

well, seems like this one is a step up compared to vega in performance

ID: h7ytvm1

Yeah, it's definitely faster! Wonder how much of it is the quad channel ram though.

ID: h7yze3r

It"s "quad" channel because it's LPDDR5, just like the Aya Neo technically uses quad channel LPDDR4X. Both are 32b wide channels, so quad channel is actually 128b wide memory bus. Or in other words, the same bus width as regular dual channel DDR4.

The big improvement in memory bandwidth comes from the higher transfer speeds of LPDDR5-5500 when compared to LPDDR4X-4266. In terms of bandwidth increase we're only looking at about a 30% increase to memory bandwidth overall - up to 88GB/s.

ID: h810l4l

LPDDR5 also introduces bank groups to LPDDR which might be helping

ID: h7yxryz

Does anyone have performance comparisons for the Vega 6 in 4500u and Vega 8 in 5700g?

3 : Anonymous2021/08/06 18:30 ID: h7yrg7y

58 fps vs 38 fps on the aya neo. Not bad. That's at 800p. Also, that's not the benchmark but just a static scene. Could be higher elsewhere.

Here are some 1080p numbers for reference

ID: h7yt03i

Yeah 50% faster then the 4500u is pretty good.

ID: h7z3lfr

He said it just as a ballpark though. Could be higher, could be lower, etc etc.

ID: h811c7w

Please note that Steamdeck might also have a Wine penalty.

edit: Wanted to point out that many cool features like Futex2 are incoming in Linux, that could boost Wine performance phenomenally

ID: h821ppl

Wine itself should have a meaningless performance penalty. The biggest performance penalty will come from your wrapper of choice. DXVK is mostly about native, with some newer DX11 doing weird things to lower it. VKD3D is roughly 10-40% compared to native, but it is also not up to spec yet so performance optimization isn't a primary goal

Things like futex2 will improve performance on top of what's already there, hopefully even native games

ID: h7znqfb

he said it would go down to 28fps and was running mostly at 44 at 800p in doom, that is way slower than both my 3200g and 4900hs did, 15w really hurt perf regardless what some here said, when some of us stated that it would indeed be power limited.

ID: h7zoaob

he said it would go down to 28fps and was running mostly at 44 at 800p

Imagine what the Neo with Vega does in those exact same scene? One is playable, the other is stutter mess with 50% difference.

4 : Anonymous2021/08/06 19:09 ID: h7yww5u

I need this.

5 : Anonymous2021/08/06 19:16 ID: h7yxtml

I'm very excited for this.

Only thing I wonder about is if the touchpad can be used to move a cursor and if I can bind keyboard buttons like enter or space to a button like A or B.

It would be awesome if that was possible because I would love to read visual novels on this but those most likely won't support console inputs.

ID: h7zoav2

Only thing I wonder about is if the touchpad can be used to move a cursor

Yes. The primary reason Valve has those touchpads is because some PC games really need mouse input. Notably, the touchpads can be configured like a standard trackpad, or they can do trackball emulation. You could even configure mouse emulation onto the joysticks if you really wanted to.

if I can bind keyboard buttons like enter or space to a button like A or B.

Presuming it's like the Steam controller, everything is configurable. And that's an insane understatement as to what the controller can actually do.

ID: h7zs8xn

I hope you are right. If so, then this is 100% what I need in life xD

Thank you for your answer.

ID: h7yy6mi

You should take a look into how the Steam Controller works. No reason to think Valve doesn't have the same functionality in the Deck.

ID: h805p7d

Steam Input is generally really good at this. You should have no problem. VNs actually have me really excited about the Deck, now I don't have to choose between buying them on my Switch for portability or on Steam for a higher resolution on my PC

ID: h80byxp

Steam is extremely good about remapping controls. This started with their controller but it really took off for VR and has been well supported ever since. So it only gets better.

6 : Anonymous2021/08/06 19:51 ID: h7z2oku

looks ace, i'm sold (once its released) very much looking forward to playing zoo on it 🙂 (shows age, although I can play it on an Acorn 3010, once I've found it in my parents loft)

ID: h80i8fg

ordering one now gives you estimated wait time of 6months+ i wonder if it will still be as desirable as today

7 : Anonymous2021/08/06 20:02 ID: h7z44vr

This reminds me of what Patrick Schur said that Van Gogh has a die size of 162 mm2, which is 6 mm2 over Renoir despite removing a CCX(which while small is a considerable part of the die). The RDNA 2 iGPU is probably bigger, but I don't think would be double the size of Vega iGPU or anything too.

So I wonder if AMD has some card in their sleeve for Van Gogh like additional caches or whatever(though obviously not Infinity Cache as we know that it doesn't have it already).

ID: h7zgmhj

If you look at the leaked AMD roadmap slides- Van Gogh die is supposed to have CVML (computer vision machine learning?) capability/module. Also- it was leaked to have the next version codec engine (VCN3), with AV1 decoding support- and these blocks only get more complicated, and bigger.

ID: h7zkimh

I wonder what use would that CVML be for the rumored Surface tablet with Van Gogh or this.

Plus some of those blocks aren't that big, I think, it's a fairly big die and in a very dense node, so who knows.

8 : Anonymous2021/08/06 23:43 ID: h7zwn6p

The modding scene will explode with this. Both hardware and software.

9 : Anonymous2021/08/06 18:17 ID: h7yplbe

It's been an hour and this post has 0 comments! What's going on?

ID: h7ypxeb

LTT also had a look at Halo Infinite and I haven't seen any discussion about in on Reddit or /


The more time goes on the cooler and cooler the Steam Deck appears to me.

ID: h80thoe

God, that Halo config UI is so bad.

ID: h80gxd5

The video itself is 30 minutes, give us some time haha

10 : Anonymous2021/08/06 21:41 ID: h7zhifs

This performance makes me really excited for a future Valve VR headset with an AMD APU. I think it could work very well.

ID: h7znx57

I think in the video he asked that(or someone else did at this event from another YouTuber) asked about that and valve rep quickly took the 5th. I honestly believe that it will happen with the success of the quest

11 : Anonymous2021/08/07 02:13 ID: h80d6ac

I wasn't going to get one but after watching this video, I pre-ordered one. Doubt I'll ever even use it, but at least I'll have one. Lol

12 : Anonymous2021/08/07 07:07 ID: h814xsn

Intel's xe graphics sweating intensifies-

13 : Anonymous2021/08/07 00:24 ID: h80194q

good on steam and amd, really hope it smacks stupid nintendo.

they take their fans with no backbone for granted

throw a gamer pass sub on the steam deck!!

14 : Anonymous2021/08/06 19:24 ID: h7yyykt

Finally this may take over Nintendo switch. My whole family is ready for this.

ID: h7zkcom

Not a competing product

ID: h82a1km

sure it is. officially it supports more games, unofficially you can emulate most nintendo exclusives

ID: h815k89

it wont, anyone with at least half a braincell knows it, this is a repeating history of psp which was far superior console than ds and yet it got stomped in sales, and guess who withdraw from handheld market?
I can guarantee switch will outsell steam deck 10:1 minimum.

ID: h8178an

Yup. Valve doesn’t even want to make this thing. It is more a ‘proof of concept’ to try to get OEMs to make this type of device. That is why the waiting time is so long, they don’t intend to build that many units.

Problem is that while I think it will sell well because it is aggressively priced, not sure whether other OEMs will jump on board because for Valve, this is more a marketing expense. But if OEMs were to release models that are say $100 more so they make a profit, will the market still be there?

ID: h81tv9k

Sony was way too greedy with DRM to allow the PSP to grow.

Valve/Steam has a tremendous library and also allows Windows so the momentum for this product is not comparable to anything we've seen before. But yes the Switch will still greatly outsell this thing. Most 4-12 years olds aren't going to want this which is a large portion of Nintendo's market (their parents buying).

15 : Anonymous2021/08/06 21:07 ID: h7zcz1w

Chunky boi.

16 : Anonymous2021/08/07 06:12 ID: h810pa0

Someone take a 4700g/5700g, disable half the cores, and overclock it as far as it goes with some 3600mhz+ RAM and see what kind of performance you get in titles at at 1280x800.

17 : Anonymous2021/08/07 10:40 ID: h81jfx4

They should let a gamer try it, not a youtuber that makes videos about random tech and doesn't actually play games

18 : Anonymous2021/08/06 20:07 ID: h7z4st8

Linus got ‘steamrolled’

19 : Anonymous2021/08/06 21:32 ID: h7zg7kz


ID: h7zpzkz

“I’m gonna comment on the content of this video without watching the content of this video.”

ID: h7zkk5k

If you watch the video he does actually have some negatives that he mentions, and gives some caveats for the use case.

It was also not sponsored content, it was merely a media preview.

20 : Anonymous2021/08/07 12:20 ID: h81rawj

Damn! How come Linus gets to play the latest tech first hand?

ID: h82ipcf

Because LTT is huge and Steam Deck will get good exposure to the right audience?

22 : Anonymous2021/08/07 16:22 ID: h82iz7t

It will sell but I doubt it will be a success.

Isn't that a contradiction? How can something both sell and not be a success?

23 : Anonymous2021/08/07 20:15 ID: h83cm84

Well you can sell 100 000 units, it is not really a success. It is always a matter of figures. Time will tell.

24 : Anonymous2021/08/07 18:45 ID: h831hlq

Is that really "quad channel" memory in this Steam Deck? Would love to dig deep into this, if anyone knows, please let me know.

25 : Anonymous2021/08/06 21:04 ID: h7zckzy

Would'a been more surprised if she didn't like the Steam Deck.


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