DualSense Designer Explains Early Experiments for PS5 Controller

1 : Anonymous2021/08/07 02:32 ID: ozky48
DualSense Designer Explains Early Experiments for PS5 Controller
2 : Anonymous2021/08/07 03:30 ID: h80lnfe

Love the DualSense. Feels sturdy AF, no issues since launch.

ID: h827u8u

I really liked my Switch Pro controller... Until I laid hands on the DualSense. It's crazy how nice this controller fits my hands and makes long sessions have no discomfort.

ID: h81vvfy

Same, I was anxious I might have stick drift but fortunately got it since march and everything is good so far! I love the controller, as you said, it feels really sturdy and the haptics+triggers are something else.

ID: h81coly

Same. Not a single complain. I am playing Returnal and it is absolutely a completely game changing experience

ID: h81mkev

Returnal turned me into a DualSense believer (even more than Astro)!

ID: h81u2hd

It really is. In previous generations, resolutions and fps were determining factors in what console I’d buy a game for. I have both a PS5 and XSX now and I’m finding that it’s shifted to whether or not a game supports the haptic feedback and adaptive triggers of the DualSense, 3D sound, VR, or support for Dolby Atmos and DTS:X and Dolby Vision on the XBOX.

I was so impressed with the DualSense in AstroBot and Returnal that there are games that I think I would still buy for the PS5, even if I get them for “free” on GamePass on the XBOX. I try to explain it to people in the XSX subreddit what a big deal the DualSense is and how much better it would be if MS made a similar controller with those features (and usually get downvoted for bringing up PS, like I do for bringing up XBOX in this one). But adding the sensation of touch in a real way to an audio/visual experience is a game changer, literally. And I can’t wait to experience the PSVR2’s DualSense controllers as well.

ID: h834ea6

Lucky, I had problem with the right stick drifting upward

ID: h83fywm


ID: h81a14x

Faulty trigger so far here, and some drift.

ID: h81cxat

Same. R2 trigger spring broke so I had to replace that myself. Now I’ve got bad drift in my L stick.

ID: h81ew98


ID: h81q95k

I’ve had two with stick drift.

ID: h81o01r

I got ps5 in early June, and the stick started to drift since July. It's so annoying

ID: h81wslc

Yea I’m having issues as well. The gyroscope on mine is extremely busted. Playing Astro’s playroom trying to use the Slinky not to jump was a huge chore (it would go haywire). I finally gave up when I was prompted to aim the Bow and Arrow.

ID: h82mium

2 controllers with drift since February. Great controller with a pretty shitty flaw.

3 : Anonymous2021/08/07 15:49 ID: h82eqku

My only issue is the battery capacity. Have to switch controllers after like 4 or 5 hours and don't really use the haptic feedback

4 : Anonymous2021/08/07 09:23 ID: h81e7td

Fantastic controller but it’s Goldilocks levels of picky when it comes to what it will allow to get charged from.

ID: h81un5i

The charging is super weird on the dualsense. I have two and both completely refuse to charge from my anker charger, which charges anything else just fine.

The thing is as soon as the console is turned off, they charge just fine on that same charger. Very strange.

ID: h8233zm

I bought the little charging station, after gift cards and discounts I ended up getting it for $10 shipped to my house, never really have to worry anymore about iffy charging cables and power blocks

5 : Anonymous2021/08/07 05:11 ID: h80vlju

Remember that article a few months ago that said the lifespan of these was around 300 hours until the sticks start drifting? And everyone started panicking. I now have 1000+ hours and my controller is like new still.

ID: h80wvrh

Sadly I got one of the faulty ones. I can pull down on the joystick and my characters would run front, it’d be impossible to make them go backwards, sometimes it’s there sometimes it isnt

ID: h81d29w

Same here. Both sticks drift. Going to send it back for a replacement

ID: h8252q9

I feel the same way about my Nintendo Switch I have had it since launch and no drift issues on either set of joycons I have. I think most controllers will probably be fine but people who have broken ones will be the most vocal.

ID: h82l5m8

On the other side of the coin, the controller that came with my console had drift within a week.

ID: h81qu1c

300 hours is nothing when your average Assassin's Creed takes about 100 hours to complete. Let alone all the online games people sink thousands of hours into. I had 2 DSs replaced by Sony already (the first one they sent me was faulty out of the box) and it'd be fine if they extended your warranty when they replace the controller, which they don't.

ID: h813oly

I've had mine since November 2020 and it has drift in the right analog stick. Your anecdote doesn't matter.

ID: h817u6a

I've had mine since November 2020 and it has no drift to speak of. Your anecdote doesn't matter.

No need to be so rude.

ID: h81tor1

Yet yours does?

6 : Anonymous2021/08/07 12:15 ID: h81qvbp

I don't know what you guys do to your analogs but ive never experienced any issues in decades of gaming. I remember visiting my friends and their DS2 and DS3 having loose analogs and broken triggers so I think people just abuse them, it's my explanation based on empirical evidence.

ID: h823de5

Same here. Been gaming since the PS1 and have owned every PlayStation as well as Xbox + 360 and a N64 + Switch. None of my controllers have ever broken apart from one of the PS4 controllers tearing on 1 of the 3 I had.

ID: h826q3q

I treat my controllers very carefully and with respect. Still have stick drift and a loose trigger on my Dualsense that I have been using since March... Have never dropped or "abused" it. Your comment is naive. Stick drift is a very common problem with all controllers that use the same technology across several platforms.

ID: h825rza

Haha I know I have only had one broken PS4 controller that I dropped and the circle button stopped working. SNES, N64, PS2, PS3, GameCube, Wii, PS4, WiiU, 3ds, switch, ps5. All have been without issues. Never had the dreaded drift or broken sticks that seems to have people so worried.

ID: h82ds0d

Please don't assume that. You just got really really lucky

7 : Anonymous2021/08/07 14:09 ID: h822l4x

It's the best console controller ever made, easily. I can't wait for it to gain more mobile and pc support.

ID: h83b3ts

Ahm, pc and apple devices already support it, haptics and all.

8 : Anonymous2021/08/07 11:03 ID: h81l30r

They should have build them with higher quality parts.... I already got 3 new Dualsense controllers from Sony Support by now. The L2/R2 spring broke twice and one controller had stick drift.

ID: h81m3cx

wow, that sucks. had a drifting one too but am afraid ozher stuff might break too...:/ time will tell

9 : Anonymous2021/08/07 03:29 ID: h80ljzh

lol how you guys snap the adaptive triggers without trying that’s insane

ID: h80v58w

It's not without trying mate, it's through normal gameplay, why the need to belittle a genuine issue people are having? You can literally google "dualsense controller trigger spring" and literally dozens of youtube videos and reddit entries appear. Just because you're not having the issue, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I've never had a controller other than the switch joycons exhibit drift issues, am I supposed to make fun of people that do and say that's insane?

ID: h80xiyd

Stick drift occurs naturally, whereas breaking (not wearing down) the Adaptive trigger spring seems much harder. You have to push, hard, against a mechanic you should know not to push against. I've never had an instance where I've had to put any undue pressure on the triggers in normal gameplay.

ID: h81st80

educate yourself

10 : Anonymous2021/08/07 02:49 ID: h80h6kk

"As far as the adaptive triggers go, Aoki says that the L2 and R2 trigger buttons were the most used buttons on previous PlayStation controllers"

And yet they thought it was enough to use a flimsy ass spring on the triggers, which obviously isn't holding up well (3 trigger springs from dualsense controllers already snapped in my household, playing the same games we played for years on ps4 with no controller issues) and plenty of people reporting issues with the triggers as well.

ID: h80iw32

Sorry you’ve been having trouble, mate.

I’ve had two controllers since launch and no issues yet. Fingers crossed.

ID: h80qmq2

I've had 4

ID: h81ew9b

Why is this comment being down voted so much?

ID: h81iwc2

Anything negative about playstation gets downvoted on this sub

ID: h80kn1s

You must be very rough with your controllers.

I still have the original PS2,PS3 sixaxis and ps4 working perfectly.

ID: h81e76u

That's not how it works. I still have 30 year old NES controllers, 25 year old PS1 controllers, 20 year old Dreamcast controllers, 20 year old PS2 controllers... I've had to return three Dualsense controllers already.

ID: h80hzsv

I actually love the idea behind the triggers

I think it's a great innovation but, as someone who just lost my r2 to playing nfs heat (r2 is accelerate it's literally one of two buttons you use), I too am bothered by the weak ass spring and the fact that replacement springs were available so early after release

ID: h80nio9

I also had a problem with the spring. Hope they fix it in future updates.

12 : Anonymous2021/08/07 14:10 ID: h822r6v

Why is it that they meticulously design these but still get drift?

13 : Anonymous2021/08/07 16:43 ID: h82ln2d

They use a standard third party switch that’s readily available for the sticks.

14 : Anonymous2021/08/07 14:35 ID: h825lcr

Both mine are drifting

15 : Anonymous2021/08/07 16:42 ID: h82lj8d

Certain games are hard on it. One game has all but ruined one of mine. I don’t play that game any more but I’d also imagine that fighting games or ones that rely on repeated mechanics on a single button or two to be hard on it.

The silencing layer underneath the buttons is peeling or something. I can feel a sort of spongy stickiness. It’s no big deal for single player games so I haven’t replaced it.

Overall I’d say the pluses for the controller far outweigh the negatives. It’s a very unique experience. Probably successfully reaches the goals they set out for.

16 : Anonymous2021/08/07 16:47 ID: h82m7xi

Has anyone else had one of their buttons start sticking? My X button started sticking. My friend's SQUARE button started sticking.

17 : Anonymous2021/08/07 17:52 ID: h82uo8p

Try going round it with a q tip of rubbing alcohol. That’s helped me when I’ve had sticking buttons.

18 : Anonymous2021/08/07 21:22 ID: h83kt7v

My L1 isn't "clicky" as the R1. That's my only problem with mine.

19 : Anonymous2021/08/07 17:37 ID: h82smxl

I still find the dual sense a wee bit big and clunky, but the haptics and trigger are a game changer. When executed properly (like Astro Bot), it adds a lot to the experience. On balance, it's my favourite controller of all time, though the Xbox one pro controller was the nicest feeling one to hold IMO (most premium), followed by the Gamecube controller (strangely soothing triggers on that one; slow press to a click).

Battery life is kinda crap on dual sense too; it takes a lot of juice for those triggers. Its the first console where I feel you basically need 2 controllers (unless you can tolerate being plugged in) for even single player games, in case you have a long gaming session.

Still, dual sense is a fantastic innovation for controllers - kind of hard to go back, now!

20 : Anonymous2021/08/07 18:55 ID: h832rcu

Chiming in to say I have stick drift on 2 of my 3 controllers, with the 3rd only being a month old with <15 hours of playtime. It's subtle, but you can notice it in FPS games or games with cursor menus like destiny.

21 : Anonymous2021/08/07 06:11 ID: h810nbo

yet? Can I buy?

22 : Anonymous2021/08/07 15:36 ID: h82d493

Battery life suck ass. But other than that it's a fantastic controller and so much better than the dualshock controller.... That was on the small side for my hands


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