- To all the game devs who are just following orders, true gamers appreciate you
Devs usually good. Publishers usually bad.
No, we do not. Speak for yourself. Some of us have standards.
Sadly there ARE still some studios where the devs themselves are just as shitty as the publishers. Like the one where the dev went on twitter shit talking the players who were criticizing bugs and glitches.ID: hnn9w83
One dev doesn't speak for all the devs of that studio though.
Seize the means of development
Wake up Comrades! we've got a building to set on fire and save or comradesID: hnmjh4j
Then they'll be unemployed!
People still forget about it and blame the devs of CDPR for Cyberpunk despite them giving constant warnings to the publishers, and i still see people saying Dev instead of publisher.
German soldiers in WWII were just following orders too. What's your point?
Are your saying that game devs share no responsibility for games being released in an unfinished, broken state just because management told them to do it?ID: hnmdvfi
They should just say no, get fired, and then fuck themselves and their family. Got it. Also eat a bag of dicks, German soldiers are killing people, entirely different scenario. You know it, I know it, Everyone else knows it. Your argument is bad, and you should feel bad.
I personally don't blame publishers, or Developers. These are businesses afterall, and require capital to support them. Ubisoft has over 18,000 employees. What kind of sales are needed to keep them all paid.
You as a consumer have a responsibility to manage your purchases. Only you are responsible for buying something buggy. No one else snatches your credit card, not even Ubisoft, and buys games for you. No matter how bad the game is, the ultimate responsibility is on you. That cannot be given to others, only ignored by yourself.
I could complain about unfinished games, or buggy games. But I don't have to. I have control of myself, and my money. If I make a poor choice, it's on me, not them. Or just accept that bugs happen in games, and always has. Even baldurs gate is full of themback in the day, at least today they get patched.
Retail sees products of all qualities released all the time. Start being an intelligent informed consumer, and your problems disappear.ID: hnmefr6
If I make a poor choice, it's on me, not them.
This implies that your rational purchasing decision is based on good information, not the publisher and/or developer actively misrepresenting the scope/state of the product being delivered.ID: hnmnw9j
It's an extreme example and of course I'm not implying they have any connection to nazi anything. Lets be clear on that. But that "just following orders" excuse is also BS and YOU should know that too. It's overused.
My point is that game devs should have more integrity and push for better outcomes. Do you think medical device devs, aerospace people and even consumer products guys are doing these things? No. When they fuck up there are consequences. You think their managers aren't also pushing them to rush products to market? You think they don't also have families? Publishers keep doing this shit because both devs (and players) let them. So why should video game devs avoid blame?
Yes I'm a consumer, should manage my money well and games are a bit special. Bugs will always happen. But games shouldn't be Battlefield 2042 / Cyberpunk 2077 levels of broken at launch.ID: hnnfo23
They should be fired regardless. And cope. Comparisons to german soldiers is a legitimate debate on ethics.ID: hnmkwkv
Did you just.... compare game devs trying to make a living with Nazis?ID: hnmglea
Wipe the drool off your chin when you're done.ID: hnnfjwi
I cannot imagine being as historically ignorant and morally bankrupt as you.ID: hnn4lxd
It’s not comparable.
Not just because devs aren’t Nazis and they’re not being asked to kill people. But because it’s not even the same concept.
Devs in high-stress (like game dev) are frequently given timelines that are nearly impossible to meet, with little margin for error. Not a question of what they’re being asked to do, but how much time they’ve been given to do it.
" I wanted to get into game development to make games worse and add anti-consumer microtransactions to make the execs rich"
- No Dev ever.
If you buy shitty games just to support the developers, you are still promoting shitty games. The publishers don't care what you think of them as long as you buy their games.