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It's "unhackable" they said, they can't mine they said
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NVIDIA is just playing both side, sell card to miner and kill the second hand market
ID: grqwr0iID: grrggotWhat happened years ago?
ID: grrge7hIf they could make enough cards they’d sell them to everyone
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Linus his feet up shoulders shrugged
ID: grr47vtShaka, when the walls fell
ID: grr9dgfRich Evans, his shoulders hunched with beer in hand.
ID: grrg0ptTembra, his arms wide.
ID: grrbk4rLiterally just finished watching this episode an hour ago.
ID: grrgg9cIf I had any musical talent at all I would have formed a band called Darmok and Jalad. We would have a concert every three years at Tanagra Greece.
I have no clue genre it would be.
Edit: apparently there is a Cascadian power metal band called "Tanagra". They have sci-fi and fantasy themed music. We would obviously invite them.
ID: grrh1myThere's a subreddit for these
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Imagine a world where Nvidia just made duper expensive units specifically for miners as well so they wouldn't need to buy gaming cards.
ID: grqip2yWe can clearly see Nvidia is interested in mining after checking their sales figures. As if they really wanna handle both the sides of the board, but can't.
They want their gamer audience to follow along, and also don't want a negative reputation. It's like getting a girlfriend while you're already married for years. It just doesn't work, you end up losing both of them.
ID: grqmgutI'm just waiting for them to cut out the middle man and use their cards for mining instead of selling them.
Why sell cards to miners when you can just mine yourself.
ID: grqjju4The problem with this is, that when the next generation of video cards come out and every miner and everybody else who needs a gpu gets themselve one, the old mining cards are worthless, because they are only good at mining, but nothing else. Currently, when the next generation of cards comes out, you will be able to buy second hand ones from the last gen.
ID: grr3x8oOh boy, I can't wait to purchase a video card that was heavily used for mining.
ID: grqr2wvThat's how I got my used 1080ti
ID: grregtmI hear people people post this all the time, but 3000 series cards are out, where are the second hand cards you mention?
ID: grr3m2fProblem is miners want to buy gaming cards. They have to upgrade their mining systems once in a while and used gaming cards are easy to sale (so they will have some money back).
Who will buy used mining-only cards? It's a huge loss of money.
ID: grrbc5qTime for a GPU odometer so you can check your card's mileage :')
ID: grqkg1iWhy would miners buy expensive units when they could buy gaming cards? nVidia doesn't care who buys their cards as long as the cards are selling.
Edit: Now that I've reached 125 upvotes I'm gonna need an award or two, thanks.
ID: grqul83They could be cheaper because you wouldn't need all the same hardware that regular video cards would need.
IE, you wouldn't need HDMI ports or any display ports.
ID: grrbf5gImagine asking for awards on Reddit.
ID: grr17w5But i think they also have a footprint in the competitive gaming and are trying to get into streaming and cloud service. They dont want to be known as primarily a chip company, in the long run they can probably make more bucks off hobbyists like gamers rather than b2b sales to miners.
ID: grrbglzHave a free silver
ID: grqxu6rNvidia released a generic driver that includes the cards with the anti-miner, the generic driver doesn't contain the anti-miner and can be used instead.
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Why doesn't Nvidia just corner the mining market themselves? Forget selling them and making scalpers and miners rich, make yourself rich, duh.
ID: grqxq34They do (or very shortly will) make mining-only cards:
From what I’ve heard the power efficiency isn’t all that great (after all, gaming cards need to be efficient too) and, when the mining card is no longer profitable, the card goes in the landfill whereas at least a video card can be sold to a gamer.
ID: grr3kshIf they do it in house, don't sell anything to anyone, just construct a giant mining beast and be its owner operator. You simultaneously squash the small miners ability to make money while also making a shit ton of money yourself.
Immense efficiency gains could be made by simply engineering 1 "mining beast" instead of linking up 16 3080s.
ID: grqutdaWho says that the real reason nobody can get one isn't because of this!
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But... That's not what happened... The plug isn't the "hack"... It's nvidia releasing a dev driver that doesn't have the limiter in place... It would be hilarious if all it took was a plugged in monitor to defeat the limiter but that's not it at all. In fact the dummy plug doesn't do anything hing a monitor wouldn't, it's just there so that people don't need multiple monitors if they want to mine with multiple GPUs.
In fact the driver is yet to be hacked. Still their big talk about it being impossible to remove was clearly a major fib and people should be pissed off about their lies.
ID: grr3c2oRule #1: Never claim something is unhackable. It can be, and will be hacked. It may take years, but somebody will do it just to give you the middle finger.
ID: grrbyutI'm not sure what the point of the plugs are. I mined with 4x 7970's in 2013. I didn't need to connect 4 monitors or use hdmi dummy plugs. It just worked.
edit: there are more restrictions that the beta driver doesn't bypass
"However, the beta driver doesn't completely unlock Ethereum mining as there are still some restrictions present. For starters, the driver supposedly limits the mining activities to one GeForce RTX 3060. It does this by requiring the graphics card needed to communicate with the motherboard through a PCIe 3.0 x8 interface as a minimum, meaning PCIe x1 risers are useless. Furthermore, a monitor has to be connected to the GeForce RTX 3060 via the HDMI port or DisplayPort output."
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Makes me think of the time Sony spent a fortune to make uncopyable CD's for the music industry, only to discover the work around was a black marker used around the edge.
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I don't think for one second that nVidia meant what they said about the negative mining capabilities of this card during the marketing.
It was just a way to try and look good for the gaming community since they've royally fucked us all over whilst claiming to be gamer-focused.
Fuck you nVidia.
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Well, it a combination of that and a beta/dev version of the drivers for a certain windows version.
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Hold up. Dummy plug?
Like in Eva
ID: grrbfjiThey are mainly to trick the computer that there is a display attached. It’s useful for remoting into computers that have a GUI (often remote sessions will just display black or glitches out screen if there is no monitor attached).
ID: grr37f3Nice to see I wasn't the only person that thought that was an Evangelion Only term as well
ID: grr3zpgWhen activated, it commands your graphics card to cannibalize another person’s rig.
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Wow. That lasted a whole week lol
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Some guy is sitting at the table grinning at his wife right now. 'see honey, I told you my dummy hdmi plug wasn't a dumb idea.'
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Why doesn't Nvidia just make a card for miners? They're customers too, they're paying the same money for their product. It's not their fault Nvidia are incapable of producing enough cards for all their customers be they gamers or miners or showoffs. Stop underproducing for your market and blaming certain groups of customers for your inadequacies.
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NVIDIA’s boys can make it unhackable, but that don’t mean we ain’t gonna hack it.
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I don't know what this means
ID: grr8epaIt seems the limiter was only in place if you didn’t have it connected to a monitor. By putting the dummy HDMI in there the card says “you’re playing games? Ok I’ll turn off the mining limiter”
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If someone wants to use their computer for mining, why not let them?
ID: grrc55zBecause gaming has zero ROI while mining has enough ROI to dump double the gamer price on a new GPU and still make profits.
So then gamers never get to buy a GPU just to game with, because they cost way more than sensible.
Essentially same as how you can't get a pickup truck cheap, because businesses buy them to do work. Even if you just want to "game around" in yours, it still costs B2B prices.
ID: grrcl9gYour explanation had many words, but when combined, did not make much sense.
Why does Nvidia matter what their consumers do with their products? At the end of the day, their selling more video cards when miners use them than not.
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I love these people
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It's not been hacked, simply bypassed, so currently it reminds unhackable.
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Is there a difference? Hacking is just gaining unauthorized access or control to a system by exploiting its vulnerabilities.
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But, driving through some completely different section of fence is not hacking the front gate, even though you still end up inside.
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headless ghost is a brand name for those. I remember when those were required to use the GPU at all, let alone for any specific hack.
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They didn't even peel off the film. That's the best part! smh
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I want the 3060
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Well, it looks like the ad campaign worked. Cards sold very well.
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Rx 580 flashbacks intensify, I remember when you couldn’t find any and the second hand market was full of damaged cards from mining.
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Anti mining limiter? That just sounds stupid. How are you gonna differentiate between mining and high load?
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There was an attempt.
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Am I the only one that wants to know what the output of those cards looks like while it's mining?
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Hot.
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I meant the screen output lol
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Calling them "unhackable" is just asking for people to hack them
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Titanic 2.0
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Well by all we know it is very possible that hackers would have needed a very long time to hack those cards to get the cards running at their full speed.
The lock was never broken, but Nvidia accidentally released they key. But the lock is technically still not breached.
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Shit makes me sad, dog. I thought we were going on a good slope, but it's popping again....
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I read the article. GPU hash cutter defeated because programming isn't smart enough to know if the picture has been viewable on display. It's smart that if something is plugged into the HDMI or DisplayPort, then display picture.
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Please use another term other than dummy plug, other evangelion fans will understand that it can only mean “really, REALLY bad”
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Can someone eli5 what mining is and why nvidia would want to appear to be against it?
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If only they did not:
Make said gpu twice as expensive;
Make said Gpu with only 3 month warranty;
Prevent any other use of the gpu for no reason;
Make it not even as good at mining than a regular gpu.
I mean, would you buy a gimped Ferrari with no paint and no tire for twice the price of a regular ferrari? No.
引用元:https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/ma4vnu/its_unhackable_they_said_they_cant_mine_they_said/
Of course they want(ed) to avoid what happened years ago...