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I love the changes we've seen in the past two weeks. Really good stuff, and it adds another way to find higher-end gear that isn't just 'buy it from traders/Flea (when possible)'. But, it makes certain rooms look really, really sad.
Namely:
KIBA - the current iteration is awful. It seems to bounce between 'great' and 'dogshite' every alternate wipe. Now that we've got a source of multiple different weapons in the one concentrated area via airdrops, I think it'd be totally fine to buff both the attachment spawns and what spawns on the wall. I've already said this in the past but I think a bunch of gucci 'civilian' setups added into the static pool would work thematically and be worth grabbing for top-end parts. TX-15s, .366 AKs with Magpul furniture, FLIRs on M700s, shit like that. What you'd expect to find in a more 'boutique' gun store.
the armoury rooms on Reserve - ORB, AO, TB, the MP rooms, you get the idea. These are lucky to spawn bog-standard 5.45 AKs at the best of times. Considering they're meant to be surplus Russian army stores we should probably see a greater variety in what's there - AKMs, the SVDS, the AK-12 when it's added in (probably soon given the progress shots we saw last year), the AS VAL and VSS, the RPK-16 and ASh-12, you get the idea. These should be exciting to loot. Currently they're a big blob of mediocrity.
In addition, I think for all higher-end weapon locations, including stuff like Red and Violet rooms on top of what I've already mentioned, you could add two things:
an armour case - a 5x5 box dedicated to all your clothing needs. Plate carriers, rigs, helmets, headsets and maybe the fabric materials like cordura and ripstop. Not always going to spawn anything good, but certainly worth checking if you have access to it. Limit it to these super high-end areas, so there's more incentive to get these keys.
more ammo packs - currently you can only really get a few specific types of ammo in these things, and it's usually just shitty 5.45 PS/PRS or if you're lucky, BP, BT, maybe BS. + a couple of additional boxes nobody takes (Warmageddon anyone?). Having a greater variety dedicated to a bunch of different ammunition, especially the Russian stuff, would be great. You could also have spam cans as super rare spawns that would function as a mini ammo box early on and come with something like 200-500 rounds of a given type. I think it'd be really cool to pull out a bunch of 7N1 and have to clench your arsecheeks all the way to extract, getting ready for some SVD action next raid. Layer up all these in these surplus rooms, and you'll see them in greater use.
I dunno man. Personally I hate how most of the high-end keys are currently geared towards just valuable spawns. I'd really like to see the more utilitarian rooms get a bump up in usefulness, especially now that we can't find a lot of high-end stuff in any quantity that amounts to usefulness (let's be honest, are you going to be running the new 7N40 any time soon?)
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
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Can we also talk about gun lockers? They rarely ever spawn an item at all and you're really lucky if you get a Saiga or MP-153, an absolute joke.
ID: hs2h6hdID: hs2je45the best thing i've ever seen was a Orsis T-5000 and that was this wipe early on in a dorms weapon locker.
ID: hs2v8irI've found more DVLs on that shelf outside Factory Office this wipe than I've found guns in a weapon locker ever.
ID: hs2z5wuI've seen DVLs but not in a long time. I used to pull them out of generic's gun locker a handful of times per wipe.
ID: hs395xsI got 3 gzhels out of Generic last wipe in like 15 scav runs. Haven't seen a single armor piece on the mannequin sibce.
ID: hs3fjc5I've found exactly one DVL in a weapon locker, the one in Generic on Interchange.
That was definitely before 0.10.
ID: hs2k1mxYeah its pretty terrible. Every time I open one I feel like I expected nothing and I'm still disappointed.
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Yeah, I kinda just want to see MORE guns out in the world. Doesn't even have to be high end stuff, but there is no reason for a place like kiba to have like 3 guns in it. I want a rack of pump actions, etc. More VPO 209s, bolties, and other civilian style weapons in the cottages etc.
ID: hs2v2yzYea it would make sense for their to be a bunch of civilian weapons. Not like anyone hitting KIBA is going to loot VPOs and MP133s
ID: hs2nnyswould be a cool way to get a decent gun out of scav runs. finding a good durability AK and being able to still use your mags in that run feels like very scav behavior.
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I personally wonder if there is a seperate loot table for weapon crates out in the open and weapon crates behind a lock.
It would stand to reason that the following applies:
-If a locked room provides volume benefits (has a lot of containers in one room) it will have a standard loot table for the containers. You make up for lower value in volume.
-If a locked room provides no volume benefit, the loot table RNG will be marginally higher to reward the player for taking the time to unlock the door (endangering themselves) as well as rewarding them for bringing in the key and finding their way to the locked area.
-Some locked rooms imply specific loot tables - like a military stash like the USEC stash on Customs. It would be sensible for those to have a decreased spawnrate for AK platform rifles, and increased spawnrate for AR platform weaponry or Western production items. I wonder if they have specific loot tables.Does anyone know if anything like this was mentioned during a Dev podcast or something?
ID: hs291rmIt would be nice, but as far as I'm aware no, there's no modified loot tables for the weapon containers depending on where they are.
Something similar exists for a couple of jackets, but that's it.
Would certainly make places like military checkpoint and USEC stash as you mentioned more worthwhile to check.
ID: hs3c73owe dont know the finer details of loot spawning, but its one table per container type. lot of modifiers that effect the spawnrates though. thats why "buffed" loot is out in the open, they can make fixed spawns of certain pools and crank the rates on them.
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Don’t even get me started on ultra med room holy shit. Best thing you’ll get out of it it’s a CMS kit
ID: hs2iac2Ultra Med seems to have been hit the hardest with nerfs...that room was pretty shit last wipe, never found one ledx but it would at least have the occasional stim. Now it just seems to consistently suck.
ID: hs3641kEh I've gotten a defib or two but definitely not what it used to be. 2 mil down the drain there lol
ID: hs2g2dgYeah it's been really bad this wipe. Don't think I've even seen an SJ6. Found all my defibs outside of it and in Mantis lmao.
I wish they'd unlock this room and then move the actual locked location over to the pharmacy above IDEA and give it some more spawn chances vs. what the current ULTRA Medical looks like. Draw some more people over to the western half of the mall.
ID: hs2p65lI like this idea, half of the upstairs is pretty useless in its current state
ID: hs30qblOnly opthalmoscope i’ve found was in USEC camp on woods, sitting on a table.
I hate shoreline, but i’ve invested in keys so that i’m not banking on one singular room to have what i need. So far no luck on ledx…except for the one i spawned with on my scav.
ID: hs2rn8bThis is something I heard discord so take it with a grain of salt, but I was in disc with a player who wasn't recording/streaming who claims to have seen someone run up to ultra (he was in techlight), stand outside the pharmacy door for a few seconds, then start to run towards the escalator. He killed him and the guy had a LEDX, a green battery, and a bunch of stims on him. He went back and checked the pharmacy and the door was still locked.
He's convinced the loot-through-walls/doors hack is back. I have not personally seen this happen and I'm a little suspicious of the story because I don't see how a hacker wouldn't be able to spot him through the walls when he turned to run. Maybe there's different tiers of hacks that allow specific features and he could scoop up loot but not have ESP?
ID: hs33f7uNot saying the hacks aren’t back, but I did find a ledx on the shelves outside of ultra med once
ID: hs2stqfIt’s definitely back, people have been looting Shturmans box without the key.
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Reserve is now a joke of a map. Where is all of the military tech on the military base map?? I have all of the best and most expensive keys for that map and its the map I go to the most yet it has NOTHING. Raiders barely even spawn anymore. That map used to be scary because it was always full of chads contesting over the great MilTech spawns, raiders and other good rooms. Definitely a high risk/reward map. It's not even worth going to for loot anymore. The best loot you will get there is from safes which I assume have a shared loot table across all maps.
Also, to add to your point, I've hit ULTRA Medical and KIBA multiple times and have also found nothing but trash. No LEDXs, Ophthalmoscopes, high-tier weapons or parts etc.
ID: hs399h8The problem with those great miltech spawns and electronics is that 75% of the players every raid will be hatchlings and rats who will rush all the good loot and grub it before you can get there. I would know because I used to do the same thing too quite a bit.
ID: hs39viuI agree that it’s a problem but honestly, I’d rather that than how it is right now. Wherever you spawn, you usually have a good idea of which spawns are going to rush which loot spots so you pick your pathing accordingly so there’s always a decent chance you’ll get something good.
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An easy an immediate buff to Kiba: Add ammo cases/pistol cases as a rare spawn, weapon cases as an extremely rare spawn
ID: hs2i9t6One of the guys in my Tarkov friend group is higher level that most of us (45) - He just opens kibba and lets us (15-30ish) grab whatever. Nothing in there that interests him. Says a lot for the sad state of that room.
ID: hs2mx8nat that point money is pointless anyways
when it gets to that point in the wipe i let the noobs loot all my key rooms and take my gear when I die. once you're 40+ money is pouring out of your hideout and I end up buying extra containers just to make my stash look nicer
ID: hs2gbigAdditionally, bring back armo
spawns on the mannequins.ID: hs2jat5They're there, but not nearly often enough to be worthwhile. Plus it's only either UNTAR armour or a HMK IOTV, which while nice isn't common enough to be worth searching for.
Having it pick from the armour spawns we have in weapon boxes now and then adding helmet spawns would be good. Have it so you'll see a mannequin with something on it every raid, but worth taking every few raids in terms of tier scaling. I think that would be fair.
ID: hs2atdxDefinitely not a bad idea.
I think this would necessitate locking cases to only being able to be taken out of a raid and not vice-versa, mind you.
ID: hs2sorvWeapon cases were removed from drop pools due to both hackers B lining them and their value, no?
Adding weapon cases back to drop pools would just lead to RMTers/hackers sniffing them out like crazy due to their value.
ID: hs2uvbqHackers aren't a reason to punish everyone else.
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What usually has me scratching my head is how incredibly rare the open world stock weapon spawns are. I'm talking the bare bones basic weapons that can sometimes spawn on a table somewhere. I've been playing this game for over 3 years now and I'm still running into ones I haven't seen before in locations I've checked 100s of times.
Given the balance changes that made weapon attachments far more impactful I don't see why these shitty stock guns are still so incredibly rare.
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As someone who started running reserve I can only push the second point more. It's absurd how bad the loot is in there. you have 5 "Weapon stash" rooms (3 in black, 2 in white, I dont' count the roof) and most of the loot in there is absolute garbage (remember you need keys for all of them...), except for some silencers or the occassional BP, BT, BS rounds.
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I love this idea and will sign a petition to get this in front of the devs
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Yeah, situation with weapon and armor spawns isn't good. Especially in context of all SCAV weapons being shit. There is basically no real way to get good guns outside of just buying them.
I know some rooms in various places are a chance of spawning specific guns and hidden stashes having rather high chance for armorhelmets but it's not enough.
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This multiple times. Also I have never found weapons inside blue (with a safe on top like in Dorm room 204 or Open Cottege on Shoreline) and grey weapon lockers. I remember they used to spawn Saiga-12 up to DVL around patches 0.8-0.10 and then the spawnrate was almost 0.
Also I agree that we need more types of ammo boxes lying around instead of loose ammo
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It seems like BSG really has no idea what they want to do with loot balancing some times.
They nerf the hell out of all loose loot spawns chances last wipe in their first iteration of "dYnAmIc LoOt", buff it up a bit because people actually like finding loot in raid, but nowhere near it was. Now you have tons of rooms behind keys that only spawn loose loot that are nearly worthless compared to what they used to be.
Then you think alright, if that's what they want, at least they will hopefully be consistent. Instead, we get Loothouse, where you are never more than a 1 minute run away from a possible Bitcoin/rare item spawn
ID: hs2m87glast wipe in their first iteration of "dYnAmIc LoOt"
Last wipe? Oh boy, you should have seen the actual first iteration, many wipes ago now. They didn't just nerf loot spawns, they essentially removed them. If you killed a scav that had an AK and a bandage, you were the hottest shit around.
A thankfully short lived period of... fun.
ID: hs381xaI distinctly remember that period. The game basically died. My raids were so devoid of activity, it was mind numbingly boring. Yet this sub was defending the changes adamantly...
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Kiba is so trash. It’s basically never contested anymore either.
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at the very least, i'm all for increased rare ammo spawns in all of these rooms. like a pack of 120 BS should be "uncommon" in the reserve armory rooms, not "super rare"
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they 100% nerfed kiba this wipe which sucks for me as it was my favourite place to run.
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Reserve should be absolutely filled with at least stock ak platforms. When you open an armour you should be expecting 1-2 guns each time and make modded guns or better guns have a decent chance at spawning. This would really help with contesting these part of the map.
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Reserve marked rooms are yet to pull me anything good, ive opened about 35 times now, not including my friends opening.
The best item any of us have gotten from one is a lion, and ive pulled more of them from safes than marked rooms.
I literally just opened metal grate room and marked and got a gold chain and a pp from marked. Grate had a kitted AK and about 90k of attachments.
Marked rooms are embarrassingly bad right now.
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Great suggestions all around. Particularly like the KIBA idea. Feels very fitting.
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I literally just look through the windows to see if the thermal ak spawned then keep running.
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Yeah, accidentally went to Reserve instead of lighthouse this morning. Had the keys so ran around, opeing all armour buildings, and both marked rooms. I didn't even fill a backpack, I left via the sewer. That map is dogshit. Alos looted every jacket,, about 15 and only came away with 2 keys, 203 Dorms and checkpoint. That map is so crap now.
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Allegedly they can spawn a DVL-10, but I don't think I've ever seen it happen in all my hours of running Interchange, Customs and Shoreline. Same with some other rare spawns eg. Gzhels on mannequins, scav bags in the mall and outer KIBA key in Goshan or power station.
On that note, I should probably actually make a separate thread about this, but they need to add spawns for the grate key for KIBA. At some point this wipe the amount of people who do all of Gunsmith will completely stagnate and there'll be a finite number of KIBA openings then with the new key changes.