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Tesla's revamped Model S and X will feature RDNA 2 GPUs, AMD confirms | Engadget
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Try scalping that!
ID: h05xsmlID: h05z9joFurthermore this puts fewer GPUs in the hands of PC or console gamers. But luckily they'll be available for automotive gamers... If that's a thing.
ID: h07pr52Try buying a new GT3…
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Buy Tesla, pull out GPU, and sell car.
ID: h06s7b8inb4 it's some weird fully integrated SoC that you can't really use at all because proprietary drivers, connections, firmware, etc.
ID: h070dgdKnowing Tesla this is most likely the case, or it has some funky form factor at the very least.
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I don't even understand what I just watched with this part of the Computex presentation.
Here is Lisa Su, an insanely professional and talented CEO who turned this company from near bankruptcy to thriving. And she's telling the world with a straight face, during a crazy GPU shortage, that you're going to be able to play AAA titles on your car's infotainment.
Nah, these GPUs aren't for self driving or machine learning tech, they're so you can sit in your car and play titles on an oversized iPad instead of at a proper TV or desktop.
I don't understand why the allocation is as such. It makes no sense. You can't make this shit up. But here we are.
On the bright side, Zen 3 APUs will be available for those who can't afford a Tesla just for its GPU. But seriously, I'm glad these are finally going to be available for the public to buy!
ID: h060emhIt is good entrypoint to automotive market. I do agree that are not many players... but this could open roads for them.Tesla is also getting something to flash in the market. Let's hope AMD will get more fab capacity to reach the demand.
ID: h061hu7but this could open roads for them.
I see what you did there!
I know AMD has been itching to get into automotive for a while. And this would be interesting to see normally. But during a GPU shortage, especially since Lisa mentioned it being a discrete GPU, it seems like a really bad time. I take pride in AMD and being an engineer there, but I am also a consumer, and that makes me sensitive to concerns like this.
Per silicon, I will say there is a whole chain of processing and testing, and ultimately the shortage is a bit more complicated than that. Linus Tech Tips did an excellent video on this.
ID: h06zrtmPersonally in my 3 I've only played games a few times. However, I see this as a huge plus for the backseat passengers especially if there's an option for a larger screen.
ID: h06eh1oJust to add some context about volume, because these are only going in the Model S & X, they will only sell 100-120k of those per year (combined), once they've fully ramped the new production lines.
So, accounting for when this is happening, and production ramps not being immediate, this will only take ~100k 6700 XT dies out of the consumer market, before RDNA3 launches on 5nm (or 6nm?) in 2022.
(i.e. Tesla will probably only sell ~100k Model S & X combined between now and RDNA3 launch)
Then, after that, the semiconductor shortage should be over, and also consumer leading-edge won't be on 7nm any more, so effectively these 100-120k a year ongoing won't be taking away from consumer supply.
ID: h06uny7Yeah and it's not like the 6700xt isn't selling. People are avoiding $1000-1100 MSRP prices 6700xts. My local MC has 40 just sitting on the shelves since people don't want to pay that price
ID: h06z4opI think this is similar reasoning for why these models still have radar and the model 3 doesn't.
I will say it's not all about 7nm capacity. There are several processing and testing steps done at and beyond the foundry that are process independent.
ID: h06kwarThe total sales of model S and model X is in low 10ks, it doesn't affect the shipments of consumer GPUs in any significant way.
ID: h08igqbIn low 10k's per quarter, in 2020 they produced over 50k total. With the refresh it will easily climb up back to 80k+. Closer to 100k. But agreed on the last statement.
ID: h069gugPeople living in their cars approve! 😉
ID: h064cs5I would expect, while at home, owner will be able to stream games to their home TV, not just play in the car.
ID: h06yj8tOoh that'd be pretty dope!
ID: h0758gsThis is more of a PR flex than a revenue play as of now. Model S & X are $90K+ cars, realistically and given Tesla's production ramp history, they are going sell ~50K at best by the end of the year, when the first production unit won't even hit the road until late June.
Compounding the fact that they are likely using Navi 23, the smallest RDNA 2 die so far, a week of PS5 likely use up more wafers than 6 months of Model S + X.
ID: h06weq9that you're going to be able to play AAA titles on your car's infotainment.
Can you use ingame voice commands to control the car?
"Telsa! Wuld Nah Kest!"
ID: h07mwc0I've read somewhere that the car industry had set goal to appeal to the gaming audience. This might one of the consequences.
ID: h07x11vHere is Lisa Su, an insanely professional and talented CEO who turned this company from near bankruptcy to thriving. And she's telling the world with a straight face, during a crazy GPU shortage, that you're going to be able to play AAA titles on your car's infotainment.
It’s a big deal for the business (read: investment community) that AMD has been able to break into the automotive space.
Regardless of how gamers feel about the GPU shortage, anyone can sell GPUs right now. But to break into a new segment that can be hard to get into is big.
And sure, AAA gaming in a car is nonsense. But it’s not about that. It’s about demonstrating AMD’s ability to provide a certain level of graphics performance to a new category of customer.
The long and short of it is that other vehicle OEMs have reason to consider AMD for their future needs. This means that 4-6 years from now we may see more cars that use AMD hardware. If AMD didn’t close this, 4-6 years from now that could have been someone else.
ID: h08d1ngThis is true, and AMD has been itching to break into automotive for a long time. If the opportunity arises, it makes sense from a business perspective to take it. If we said no, then Tesla just asks Nvidia and they might very well say yes. The GPU shortage is short term, this opportunity is long term.
The timing kinda sucks, the application is absolutely ridiculous, but I think with that in mind it'd be stupid not to take it.
ID: h085l6qI don't understand why the allocation is as such. It makes no sense.
Obviously Tesla is paying them more than people buying graphics cards.
I honestly doubt AMD and Lisa Su would be so stupid as to sell chips to Tesla in this market for use in cars instead of to use them for graphics cards unless it was for a hefty profit.
ID: h08cegnI mean definitely true. And at the end of the day, AMD is a business. It's profit-driven.
ID: h08tta9Lmao what is this nonsense
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Why though? I don't understand the trend of adding more and more distractions to your vehicle.
ID: h0688vvEvery car with a LCD needs some kind of GPU to process all the output information. Every Tesla already has a GPU for that, but not from AMD up until now.
A powerful GPU can be used for more than entertainment, it's also good for displaying things like the current FSD status, navigation data, and potentially also process information for an AR HUD, if they every implement one.
ID: h06pimkFor infotainment- Lisa said it is going to be 'embedded Ryzen APU powering infotainment system, as well as discrete RDNA2 based GPU'.
ID: h05zyl4You don't have children?
ID: h06upemKids sit in the back.
ID: h063js3You're not allowed to play games on it while driving
ID: h06449eYou aren't allowed to text and drive either, yet ...
ID: h0672kmTesla are in the lead for fully generalised self-driving, so they're assuming they'll be able to do a software update in the (no-so-distant) future to enable the car to properly drive itself (level 4 or 5).
So then, obviously, once the car is fully self-driving it makes sense to have a whole software ecosystem and powerful entertainment computer within the car.
EDIT: Anyone downvoting want to make a comment? I'm just explaining Tesla's rationale, answering the other poster's question. Not sure why people have taken exception to that...
ID: h075e9pRight now I'm pretty sure the ability to play games is mostly focused for anyone having to stop and charge during a longer trip.
ID: h05yt6lI'd imagine you'll be locked out from playing while driving at least. But distracted driving is a massive issue for sure, and I wish people would stop taking driving for granted. Driving is fun and useful, but dangerous as well.
ID: h062tf3don't worry, i fully expect some sort of guide to be out there on how to trick the car into thinking you are paying attention so you can play games while the car is driving, just like why these exist:
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Time to upgrade cars every two years.
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But why?
Why do you need to game on a car? Heck the screen itself will not be infront of you.
And only way to get it center is by sitting in the middle of the back sit
ID: h06s2vaBut why?
money
ID: h0672taTesla are in the lead for fully generalised self-driving, so they're assuming they'll be able to do a software update in the (no-so-distant) future to enable the car to properly drive itself (level 4 or 5).
So then, obviously, once the car is fully self-driving it makes sense to have a whole software ecosystem and powerful entertainment computer within the car.
ID: h0697fdEven if the car isn't self driving. being able to take an hour break from driving, might want to play some games.
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Big fucking move. And Intel said demand is slowing?? Maybe for THEIR chips. Intel should stick to low level Chromebooks and leave high performance to the big dogs.
ID: h05y5c6Fanboyism is cringe. Competition drives better products.
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Failing to see what the point is
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mining while driving, that's the future
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RDNA2 GPUs are friggin everywhere Jesus.
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This kills the Mobileye business
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Whole new meaning of driver-at-fault crashes
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Tesla and AMD are both best of breed. It equals a marriage made in heaven for mere mortals to enjoy.
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They really will sell GPUs to anyone but gamers eh ?
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I'm still not convinced Tesla is better than a Benz 190D.
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Yet 5600G and 5700G hets vega... lol
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You're saying that like it's a bad thing, it's the reason they are so cheap.
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I mean, if you want something cheap there's plenty of options. I thought people wanted strong APUs.
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Cars have been scalped longer than transistors have existed. If anything, they're a prime example of the phenomenon.