A user of GNOME, a desktop environment for Linux and other OS’, is unhappy with upcoming changes. Two users thoroughly debate the intentions of GNOME developers in the comments.

1 : Anonymous2021/03/07 20:47 ID: lzzbl2

Main drama here.

GNOME and it's development has long been a point of controversy, and this is no different.

From Wikipedia:


The release of GNOME 3, notable for its move away from the traditional menu bar and taskbar, has caused considerable controversy in the GNU and Linux community. Many users and developers have expressed concerns about usability. A few projects have been initiated to continue development of GNOME 2.x or to modify GNOME 3.x to be more like the 2.x releases.

GNOME 3 aims to provide a single interface for desktop computers and tablet computers. This means using only input techniques that work on all those devices, requiring abandonment of certain concepts to which desktop users were accustomed, such as right-clicking, or saving files on the desktop.

These major changes initially evoked widespread criticism. The MATE desktop environment) was forked) from the GNOME 2 code-base with the intent of retaining the traditional GNOME 2 interface, whilst keeping compatibility with modern Linux technology, such as GTK 3. The Linux Mint team addressed the issue in another way by developing the "Mint GNOME Shell Extensions" that ran on top of GNOME Shell and allowed it to be used via the traditional desktop metaphor. This eventually led to the creation of the Cinnamon user interface), which was forked from the GNOME 3 codebase.

Among those critical of the early releases of GNOME 3 is Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux kernel. Torvalds abandoned GNOME for a while after the release of GNOME 3.0, saying "The developers have apparently decided that it's 'too complicated' to actually do real work on your desktop, and have decided to make it really annoying to do". Torvalds stated that his objections were universally held by the varied Linux developers he knew. In 2013, Torvalds resumed using GNOME, saying "things had gotten much better in the past year" but noting that "they have extensions now that are still much too hard to find; but with extensions you can make your desktop look almost as good as it used to look two years ago". Torvalds has suggested that the "GNOME Tweak Tool" should be merged into GNOME 3.

2 : Anonymous2021/03/07 23:09 ID: gq5gsvw

Gnome drama was always amusing when I used Linux for a year. Can understand the frustration through. The Gnome devs and their design decisions were often.. special.

ID: gq68bqs

16 year open feature request for image previews.

ID: gq5ipqz

i had to use the gnome virtual keyboard recently. it's so bad. "minimal" and "simplified" to the point of unusable

3 : Anonymous2021/03/07 22:07 ID: gq58zd8

Plasma gang rise up

ID: gq5ijxv

best most advanced desktop on the planet

ID: gq5osay

Every once in a while, I'm convinced to give plasma another try, and it always leads to some insane goofiness and a full reinstall.

4 : Anonymous2021/03/08 00:14 ID: gq5o2ft

And every distinct opinion about how gnome should work has a forked version to represent it. Always fascinating to see how forked some projects become.

5 : Anonymous2021/03/07 22:51 ID: gq5euo0

You know I've always hated the "you're using it wrong" argument. If people want to do a thing, as long as it's not damaging their system, it is right for them.

ID: gq6cik5

This sounds pretty similar to the "linux is about choice" meme.

If a user is using something in a way that's not intended, and it breaks in an update, that's not the developer's fault. They are using it wrong.

Software that supports varies uses, that is composable, naturally has more knobs, code, failure modes, and bugs. That may be fine for low level libraries or intentionally super-configurable things... But it's awful for user interfaces. Trying to make a large cohesive desktop while also supporting a thousand customization points just gives you more bugs and less time.

6 : Anonymous2021/03/07 21:33 ID: gq54071

Openbox ftw.

7 : Anonymous2021/03/08 07:41 ID: gq6ttph

I love GNOME (because I had the drive and time during covid to find, install and configure the 15 extensions I wanted to get it running exactly how I like) but 'vanilla' GNOME is so stupid lol

8 : Anonymous2021/03/08 02:04 ID: gq5zy0r

The intent makes sense, help the user figure out how to launch their fist app.

I mean, ok. But in what universe is your UI so fucked that someone who's installed freaking GNOME needs regular explicit hinting to do that.

9 : Anonymous2021/03/08 08:16 ID: gq6w0he

I don't know anything about the context but deliberately not using interface advantages desktops have seems... shortsighted.

10 : Anonymous2021/03/08 10:38 ID: gq74i8k

I wish Ubuntu would just pull a Mint and yank GNOME 3's life support already. Truly awful, awful desktop, dating back to the bad old days of Unity, Windows 8 and the epically misconceived belief in UI "convergence", which held that running the same interface with touch and mouse input was not only possible but desirable.

11 : Anonymous2021/03/08 05:51 ID: gq6m2z6

ooooh finally, drama for meeee!

I've enoyed gnome 3 so far, LOVE the way virtual desktops are handled.


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