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I think that substantially this generation of GPU is gone for us, and that when there will finally be stock and prices somehow near MRSP, we will already be close to the first leaks and the first engineering samples of navi3
5700xt July 2019
5600xt January 2020
6800xt November 2020
6700xt March 2021
if the development time between one gen and another stays the same, it's not difficult to hypothesize navi3 more or less in 10 months from now, so end of this year or beginning of 2022
even if in September / October there were finally stock of cards at "normal" prices, it would not make much sense to buy those cards with navi3 coming out so close
what do you guys think?
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i fucking hate miners and botters.
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mining crpto is awesome though. best use for a GPU possible.
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But The company loves them. They generated a huge amount of money to the business.
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I have $1100 worth of parts just sitting collecting dust waiting for a gpu. Any ideas? It’ll be my first build and wasn’t expecting to pay $1000 for a 3060. Not sure what I should do or just try to wait it out
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You have to set up a bot, a page refreshing bot that can scalp you a card the moment it comes in stock. Literally the only way right now outside of getting extremely lucky with a brick and mortar store drop or finding a generous seller on hardwareswap sub. Problem is, there are loads of people doing bots now because there’s so much profit in it. Good luck.
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I wouldn’t even know how to set up a bot tbh lol. I’m not close enough to a brick an mortar being in NC. closet micro center to me would be GA. I’m almost to the point of willing to pay double msrp. And that would still be Chelsea than what I’m seeing on a daily basis
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I think you're probably right, although one note: It may make sense to buy this generation used as the miners (I hope a precipitous drop ruins their investments) dump their cards and the people who buy every single generation dump.
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Personally, I'm waiting for something in the ballpark of the $299 MSRP* that the good old 1060 was originally sold for. Closest we've gotten this generation is the $329 for the 3060, and AMD is nowhere near close to matching that price/performance ratio yet... unless a 6600XT is announced this year.
* and yes, I'm aware that matching MSRP is a pipe dream in this economy, but hey, I'm saving up money for a reason
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I think you are almost spot on.. but the problem is the bots and miners are going to keep on chewing up the new GPUs when they come out.. how the hell so many 100s or even 1000s of people have the money to use bots to buy up tons of GPUs at 100s of dollars each.. is beyond me. Super rich people do NOT need to try to profit from this shit.. so it's gotta be people who have a spare 10K or 20K and want to try to turn it in to 2x the money so they think it's a good idea to run bots to buy shit up to then scam people out of money.. or rather.. not scam.. but screw them over by doubling the prices. It's a shit thing to do.. but I hate to say it.. I think after this round, and the vendors doing NOTHING to prevent it despite how easy it is to do a queue, buy one, email token to buy one, etc.. things to make it completely useless to use bots to buy tons of stock.. this is going to happen again and again. Until vendors and manufacturers agree that the individual is just as important as the assholes who somehow can afford to buy 10, 20, 100 GPUs at a time instantly.. we're all at the mercy of them.
As someone who works in the software field, I can assure you, it is rather easy to mostly prevent bots from buying up the gpus like mad instantly. It just requires vendors/stores/online stores to implement it. The way most of them see it.. whoever buys it they dont care..they got their money. So it's doubtful they will implement this for the sake of those of us millions (literally) around the world that want to buy just one GPU for gaming use or workstation/editing use.
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Could be that some/many countries' secret service/intelligence agencies are being funded by cryptocurrency too. If CIA can set up/involve themselves with a whole-ass international drug trade to fund themselves, why not.
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I bought my current card at the end of the last mining boom from a miner that had undervolted it and kept it so clean that it seemed brand new. He said he ran an air filtration system and an extra window AC unit in the room his mining rigs where in.
I put my card on water, overclocked the snot out of it and game on it daily now for over 2 years and it works just fine. I payed $200 for an XFX Vega 56 reference card with samsung HBM2 because he was just trying to recoup some of the loss he was going to take on the 30 cards he payed way over MSRP for.
So when the current mining bubble bursts we will all be getting those cards cheaper then MSRP and the next gen might get postponed or skipped like AMD did between Vega and Navi. They might release something but it won't be the true next gen. Same as Nvidia did with the RTX2*** cards. They will have to wait for the market to stabilize after being flooded with used cards regardless of what tech they have ready to release or they won't be able to turn a profit.
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Yes, it's gone to the miners and AMD doesn't care who bought gpu cards so no cigar I am afraid until cryptocurrency that uses desktop gpu&cpu ceases to exist.
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I'm worried this is just going to heavily negatively affect the pricing of next gen as well. I can't wait till Ethereum goes proof of stake so mining becomes less popular because man, it's really screwing anyone who just wants decent gaming hardware over
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Yep, it is terrible, I am glad that I got my RX 5700 on sale for 330eur last year in march but I wanted to buy RX 6800XT and give the RX 5700 to my little cousin.
The RX 6800XT release came and I didn't see single one in stock.
It was like that with the whole RX 6000 series, not available anywhere.
I spend the money I got reserved for RX 6800XT on Xbox Series X and PS5, great consoles, I don't think I will come back to PC gaming anytime soon.
The terrible prices and unavailability totally destroyed my interest in PC hardware, I just don't care anymore.
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What do you folks think how long it will take for prices to normalise again? I'm still sitting on my R9 390, ever so worried that it will die anytime soon. ^ ^
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Mine is slowly dying. Display kicks to black if I play a game more than 30 min. I have to unplug second monitor just so it doesn't shut off. Godspeed to your 390.
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Would make perfect sense to buy them - i think most of us expect Navi3 to be in a similar shortage when they come out, so you can wait another 10 months after Navi3 for the next cycle. This way you'd never get a card.
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The same for AMD CPUs, I have given up on purchasing Zen 3 CPUs. I have now set my heart on getting a Zen 3 CPU.
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For the foreseeable future this is unfortunately going to the norm. We will only see normality when the pandemic is over, mining crashes and hell freezes over.
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So glad I bought my RX 5700 when I did.
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I think RDNA 2 and Ampere will be one of the longest running generations of cards since the companies can save on R&D and take time to saturate the market with this super high demand, assuming there’s no crypto crash before the silicon shortage is close to resolved. This lets them take a higher annual profit by focusing a bit more on production.
Just a guess
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Assuming they maintain the rollout schedule. PS3 was king for a long time because it had dominance during the recession and they did not expect people to support a new generation of consoles. So I would expect the delivery windows to spread out in order to maintain margin. Unless we get into some sort of price war, which I expect all sides to want to stay away from.
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I’m not buying AMD GPUs, even if they’re the only ones in stock. Not if Nvidia is still around.
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Good reason why I ignore "Wait for the next gen cpus/gpus" it's a fools game.
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Well AMD would be crazy to release new GPUs gen in the middle of this shortage so i would not bet in a cycle as usual as previous times.
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I..I still love my 480..and my old 5770s but, I should've went for the new GPU when I upgraded everything else when they were reasonably available instead of saying "WeLl, ThE nEw OnE cOmEs OuT sOon!".
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I think that ill be glad to buy a 5700xt, 6600xt, or 6700non-xt at msrp whenever I can and get off this RX480 8gb and onto something I can run WFHD Ultra. I should have bought the 5700 non-xt last year but I was convinced it was overpriced for the number of CU and just AMD adapting to Nvidia pricing. Boy did I not know what was coming...
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Perfect time to build keyboards eh
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I was gonna buy a 6800xt for my new build. Instead I'm borrowing my friends 5 year old lenovo with a 6700hq and a gtx960m. And I have it hooked up to my 400 dollar ultrawide that I'm using in 1080p 60. I hate this.
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I've achually mange to get an Rtx3070 Evega Ultra at MSRP here in Sweden in January. The store I bought it from had only one booked and I'll managed to book the second one. Everyone was booking the Msi and Asus ones. Now all card cost ish 100$ more at the same retailer I got really lucky. One Wierd thing it that they had only 2weeks ago 50+ inventory on Rtx3090 although Gigabyte Blower Cards But even those sold out
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The only game I upgrade my PC for is Battlefield. Every upgrade I've made has lined up with the release of a BF title. Having said that, I don't expect to upgrade my GPU when BF6 comes out. For one, GPU's are probably going to be overpriced and also, BF6 might turn out to be a pile of shit.
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PUBG still looks and plays like a 2016 game so no worries here!!!
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Major gpu generational leaps happen every 2 years
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Agreed, I also think the GPU's released this gen arent powerful enough over the console counterparts to warrant the purchase if you are looking for a long term upgrade to last the entire console generation.
I could be wrong.
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Used to chase the latest and greatest cards, now I’m just picking up pre-owned card since the 1000 series. Still rocking my 1070ti that I picked up from a miner 3 years back.
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They're most likely gonna delay the next generation of cards to avoid this again...
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Or bring in the savings by selling current GPUs at only a few hundred over original MSRP, and new gen gpu at $1,000 over msrp
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Lets see man. I can’t see them dropping rx 7000’s and rtx 4000’s before they get an actual supply of the gpu’s they put a fuck ton on rnd and production into. If they drop another new generation of gpu’s out before they fix their supply issue it’d be a media and public nightmare for all companies. I think they know that tho.
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This GPU generation is gone dead to me
FIFY
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My RX580 decided to die a couple days ago, I have to severely underclock it otherwise it crashes.
Now I'm thinking of a 6700XT for 800 eur, not because I want it, but because I need it.
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really depends, usually gpus are 2 years however this generation we should be seeing the start of MCM GPUs which given the silicon shortage could be pushed sooner in the product pipeline than normal. but that is just speculation based off my personal thoughts. first company to do MCM GPU is going to make a lot of money if this crypto craze continues.
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Moore's Law is Dead made a good point last video, that lower end RDNA2 will get rebranded and relaunched next gen, as 7nm gets freed up as 5nm becomes the main proccess for RDN3
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MLID is a hack. there's no point in trusting them when they just say whatever they think gets views.
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He isn't lol
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Umm what about 5500 XT?
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Stock in Australia at retail (not inflated prices). Shame rest of world struggling.
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Bunch of my friends were laughing at me because I paid $700 for an EVGA 2080 Super back in July. 3 of the 4 friends haven't been able to use their PCs since they sold their GPUs for the new ones.
I have an extra 1060 laying around I might let them fight for it.
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How likely are pre-built machines (whether console, Dell or other) to include the brand spanking new Navi 3's this autumn, without much markup?
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I wouldn't use RDNA 1 as a reference to go by since it was delayed twice due to hardware issues (first was tape-out issues and the second was other hardware bugs). RDNA 2 was still on track since AMD had teams leap-frogging another.
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I think the most important thing AMD can do going forward is make sure they’re offering a product stack that utilises different silicon processes, otherwise they will simply never have supply.
I’m a little surprised AMD aren’t talking to Glofo to get Rx 580s and Rx 590s back into circulation. I guess it’s risky not knowing if the bottom is going to fall out of cyptomining any day now, especially after last time, but supply constraints aren’t just down to crypto at this point and it would seem like a good bet if they could have them back on the market within 2 months.
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