Latest AMD CPU roadmap

1 : Anonymous2021/04/04 09:12 ID: mjst0p
Latest AMD CPU roadmap
2 : Anonymous2021/04/04 10:42 ID: gtc3e9k

Interesting. Warhol was previously listed as Zen3 7nm, so this late update (considering it's supposed to be a 2021 product) is a little suspect. Still, if it's indeed Zen3+ 6nm then it's a significant enough upgrade. (Also, it's the first time it's mentioned as AM4.)

Unlike previous leaked roadmaps, this doesn't come with a timeline. All in all, feels less "official".

ID: gtc5jlh

I don’t believe the 6/7nm thing is important. 6nm just looks nicer than 7nm+ from a marketing POV even if it’s really just a very refined 7nm process.

ID: gtc6d4c

If it’s like the jump from zen to zen+, the improvements were still tangible

ID: gtcakgl

Leak marketing is something I'm not a big fan off. It's totally possible that this is pure 7nm, not 7nm+, not 6nm. When rumours accelerate, people build unrealistic expectations.

ID: gtc3taz

The change to 6nm's based on some rumors on chiphell which might not be accurate. The part about raphael navi2x's the same. What's seen on the leaked image has raphael's igpu block cut off but it's in a different color (dark green). There's been no information on why people are sayin that it's navi2x, just that some people say it is. It could be navi3x, we ain't gonna know

This ain't a new leak, it's people putting different rumors together on the same image so some stuff could be wrong

3 : Anonymous2021/04/04 10:21 ID: gtc246w

with the mention that 5nm parts will arrive after q2 2022, so more than a year from now. realistically i see them coming at end of q3 2022, so in september-october 2022 time range, with actual availability at EOY.

ID: gtc96r9

Phoenix/Raphael is my way to go, where can I pre-order already so I can have that cpu ?

ID: gtcfxdt

How old are you, are you kidneys in good condition? - maybe might have a trade available

ID: gtdan72

Yeah, Zen 4 has always been *late* 2022.

Intel has a chance with Alder Lake's timing.

4 : Anonymous2021/04/04 09:20 ID: gtbyl3w

where Van Gogh?

5 : Anonymous2021/04/04 10:30 ID: gtc2omn

Oh boy. Vega 8 for another generation?

ID: gtc50e4

Barcelo is just rebranded Cezanne I think, and Vega is actually not bad on 7nm.

ID: gtc55qx

If you’re on about Cezanne, they already been shipping in laptops and yes Vega 8

6 : Anonymous2021/04/04 09:22 ID: gtbyo85

Cool. if this is true there's one more release left for am4.

ID: gtc0b22

And if true, this makes me feel a whole lot less bad for upgrading from x470 to x570.

ID: gtc6426

What interests me is that this is labeled as Zen 3+, not a simply rebinning like the 3000XTs. So we can expect genuine (respectable but not amazing) performance uplifts.

ID: gtc5yi3

Always interesting how people cheer for less progress.

If Zen 3+ is a thing, it's going to be a very minor improvement to Zen 3. And will mean Zen 4 is much further off than hoped.

ID: gtc675n

True. However zen 4 client before the end of 2022 is all but guaranteed due to El Capitan

7 : Anonymous2021/04/04 11:58 ID: gtc8ens

so APU with RNDA3 will not be out for another 3 years ?

8 : Anonymous2021/04/04 11:19 ID: gtc5r0k

I'm planning a B450 with 1600AF build (aprox. $200), if this graph is true the value I will get from it in the future is going to be unheard of.

*motherboard I chose is zen 3 compatible, it's a newer B450 revision.

ID: gtc9s8a

B450 was awesome. Made a ryzen 2600 build 3 years ago. Just got a 5600x last week, and I put it in the same motherboard that I bought 3 years ago, didn't have to get a new one. That was pretty great

9 : Anonymous2021/04/04 14:34 ID: gtcmaws

the igpu of my 4750G allowed me to sell my RTX2070 2.5 times its MSRP price to mining idiots.

igpu lives matter.

ID: gtd9mf9

I sold mine rx580 that I bought for 150 euros for 400 euros and bought 1070 ti.

10 : Anonymous2021/04/04 09:48 ID: gtc06ly

so there is still life left on my b550?


ID: gtc6bnx

There is life, but you won’t be seeing Ryzen 3000 to Ryzen 5000 level of performance boost. (It simply doesn’t make sense)

I don’t know about you but for most people with CPUs from recent generations, they are probably better off waiting till Zen 4.

ID: gtc98bs

cant complain about low perf .... heh 5900 would be overkill

11 : Anonymous2021/04/04 12:07 ID: gtc91ud

Still waitin for 5600.

12 : Anonymous2021/04/04 12:16 ID: gtc9qva

Waiting for Rembrandt laptops! Give me that rdna2 + DDR5 1050ti gaming performance!

13 : Anonymous2021/04/04 17:42 ID: gtd82yw
14 : Anonymous2021/04/04 12:47 ID: gtcc865

AMD doing Ticktock-tick now?

15 : Anonymous2021/04/04 13:00 ID: gtcdbub

I wonder how Phoenix will perform if it has RDNA 3 with Zen 4. Would be amazing to have a laptop APU that outperofrms potentially an Xbox Series S.

ID: gtceegv

Wait for 2023, lol.

ID: gtd2h0l

The massive problem is memory bandwidth, they can't get anywhere near the same level as the XSS. Even assuming DDR5 6400 that's 51.2GB/s, 102.4GB/s dual channel vs the XSS' 224GB/s so that's a massive difference, it's less than half the bandwidth. The XSS has a CPU only clocked about 3.5GHz while current high end AMD APUs go >4GHz which means more memory bandwidth needed for the CPU which takes away from the GPU

Comparing GPU clocks, the current highest end hit ~2000MHz as well which is high, let's assume 5nm RDNA3 in an APU can hit ~2500MHz for argument's sake and has 16 CUs (might be optimistic), that'd be 5.1Tflops. It could well be similar or higher than the XSS on paper but again, unless they can feed the GPU it won't perform that well in practice

ID: gtdghl4

Infinity Cache could help to allievate bandwidth problems.

16 : Anonymous2021/04/04 16:48 ID: gtd1pcb

Im completely disconnected from hardware world so please tell me, when will be able to buy a desktop apu with modern performance for a sffpc? I already gabe up with high performance pc, and if i can run assetto corsa and f1, I'm ok with that.

17 : Anonymous2021/04/04 10:16 ID: gtc1uvo

If Warhol is real and actually on a newer node, I'm very interested how it'll stack up against Alder Lake and Apple M1x/M2 in single thread perf. There were some crazy rumors suggesting it'll go up to 5.5GHz but I have doubts about that...

ID: gtc33wf

5.5 IMO is a pile of crap unless you are counting manual OCs as well. Historically clock speed increases are generally in 100-200s.

I’d be impressed if AMD can pull off a 5.2 stock boost for 6950X.

ID: gtc4ba6

RemindMe! 2022-12-31 "6950X at 5.2GHz"

18 : Anonymous2021/04/04 11:01 ID: gtc4krb

Quick quetions, what are the FP sockets?, so does that mean all future ryzens starting zen4 will include some form of a GPU?

ID: gtc5324

APU socket on laptops. Desktop APU will have GPU added to I/O die. (rumors)

19 : Anonymous2021/04/04 12:30 ID: gtcauxm

Is Zen 3+ really AM4?

ID: gtccqe0

No reason to change the socket IMO.

No new southbridge chip required when fab capacity in shortage globally No need to design zen 3(+) for a new socket More time to polish AM5 design No need to support DDR4 on Zen 4 (I think AMD can continue to sell zen3+ for DDR4 system until 2023 for lower end, after 2023, DDR5 will be mainstream
20 : Anonymous2021/04/04 14:36 ID: gtcmkrt

Is 6nm a new node or just refined 7nm? I have a 3600 on b450 and was planning to do a final upgrade and wait to avoid early adopter problems with ddr5.

ID: gtczeix

N6 vs N7FF: 18% higher logic density; 8% less power;

About half of N5 vs N7FF improvement

21 : Anonymous2021/04/04 15:04 ID: gtcpm0k

I'm a big fan of the APUs for SFF. Currently have the 4750g which I believe is renoir.

With the AM4 crossed out on the Rembrandt, is that suggesting no desktop release for that APU and I would need to wait for Phoenix? Or has it not been suggested what board it would be on? Possibly AM5?

Im looking forward to seeing something g other than Vega on the APUs.

22 : Anonymous2021/04/04 15:45 ID: gtcua54

Does anyone know why the K name isn't used anymore anymore? My first AMD chip was the K6, followed by an upgrade to the K6-2, and eventually I got the awesome Athlon K7. I believe my current 5800X is a K17.

24 : Anonymous2021/04/04 19:03 ID: gtdhi89

Bit surprised rdna3 Q3 2022

25 : Anonymous2021/04/04 11:24 ID: gtc626g

ETA for Warhol and Remembrant? Given many Cezanne laptops have been pushed to June release/availability and to this date there is barely a whisper of Cezanne-U ultrabooks. Realistically I do not expect good availability of Cezanne laptops until end of Q3 at the very least, and where would Remembrant fit in between that and Zen 4? Hopefully this doesn’t mean no zen 4 laptop until 2023. I expect Golden Cove (alder lake) to surpass Zen 3/Zen 3+ IPC in early 2022, and Intel laptop’s sheer laptop volume means business.

26 : Anonymous2021/04/04 13:11 ID: gtcea6e

Zen 4 in laptops is 2023, sadly.

27 : Anonymous2021/04/04 13:46 ID: gtchk7m

Tragic. A whole year left to ADL-U and H.

28 : Anonymous2021/04/04 12:27 ID: gtcamom

Warhol is this year, Rembrandt next CES.

29 : Anonymous2021/04/04 12:32 ID: gtcazmz

idgaf cuz they are getting more and more expensive and they are way past my budget already.

30 : Anonymous2021/04/04 19:05 ID: gtdhqsp

Intel has a bunch of good cheap stuff nowadays and plenty of stock. I would take a look at their offerings, they're the new value goto really. How the turntables.

31 : Anonymous2021/04/04 16:46 ID: gtd1hry

AMD pls give us 8/16 Warhol with decent temperature (not like 5800x) in reasonable price (not like 5800x).

32 : Anonymous2021/04/04 12:18 ID: gtc9woq

I'm assuming AMD will probably not give support for Warhol on 400 boards, but if they do, oh boy.

33 : Anonymous2021/04/04 12:21 ID: gtca45l

glad to see there's one more chip on am4, probably be my next upgrade

34 : Anonymous2021/04/04 12:59 ID: gtcd7go

I want an AMD APU with GPU in a range of RX480, thanks.

35 : Anonymous2021/04/04 13:38 ID: gtcgrs8

Yea. DDR5. Finally, ECC for everyone!

36 : Anonymous2021/04/04 16:02 ID: gtcw8zt

Yea. DDR5. Finally, ECC for everyone!

Yes and no. Its not fully ECC like you think it is. DDR4 also has partial ECC features build in compared to DDR3.

DDR5 has more ECC features but the issue is that ECC needs to report its information. Even today with AMD and ECC, most motherboards support ECC, as in it will correct errors but they do not report them back to the OS.

As a result, ECC is incomplete as you are not informed about memory issues.

This is a big deal in the Server market and why ECC is so valuable. The reporting back to the OS and the IPMI accessible logs that inform you about issues with your systems memory. Not just the error correct itself but also knowing that something is going wrong.

But from my understanding there still will be DDR5 ECC memory for servers ( can not have companies pay less for memory, now can we 😉 ) and DDR5 for consumers. Just that more ECC features has been build into DDR5, just as DDR4 had several ECC features build in ( compared to DDR3 ).

But without error correcting information all your getting is a bit more stable memory but without double bit error correcting, your still out of luck for all features. Nor will you get feedback etc.

Maybe somebody can correct me on this from my information.

37 : Anonymous2021/04/04 13:46 ID: gtchjvt

If true, this means Raphael isn't coming this year. Phew my wallet.

38 : Anonymous2021/04/04 14:08 ID: gtcjlaf

I am just happy to see an mention of Zen 3 Threadripper.....

39 : Anonymous2021/04/04 14:28 ID: gtclod6

Where's Van Gogh?

40 : Anonymous2021/04/04 18:24 ID: gtdcxhk

Lurking in dark. It sounded to be a specialized chip (AI accelerators on-board) and part of a custom solution. Word on the street is Microsoft ordered the chip.

41 : Anonymous2021/04/04 15:22 ID: gtcrnej

Had too much mistakes on this lol

42 : Anonymous2021/04/04 16:17 ID: gtcy178

Share your version ( ͡• ͜ʖ ͡• )

43 : Anonymous2021/04/04 17:00 ID: gtd35ov

Version 0.4 is up 😉

44 : Anonymous2021/04/04 15:55 ID: gtcvgrd

Nice to see there's (probably) some progress in terms of silicon chemistry rather than just a IF clock increase with Warhol, probably some minor architectural tweaks too.

45 : Anonymous2021/04/04 16:18 ID: gtcy40r

So the massive jump in laptop performance was amd 4000 series and the next is going to be Rapheal/Phoenix? Its going to be massive money for amd once enterprise switches over.

46 : Anonymous2021/04/04 17:00 ID: gtd333g

The 5nm chips get me really excited. I'm not sure how you'll ever want an Intel chip in a few years.

47 : Anonymous2021/04/04 21:29 ID: gtdy6em

For Zen3+ I am hoping for AV1 decode support and USB4 support. than any performance increase in laptops

48 : Anonymous2021/04/04 23:03 ID: gte8qdu

nice I know my whole family will get Ryzen

49 : Anonymous2021/04/04 23:24 ID: gteaxx5

I hope that this is not true. With Alder Lake coming later this year with DDR5, PCIe5 and big IPC improvements zen3+ won't be competitive. AMD needs zen4 to maintain the leadership.

50 : Anonymous2021/04/04 23:28 ID: gtebe1j

missed opportunity to go full meme and name the generations after ninja turtles. and what is Barcelo? it's not a painter, just some meaningless surname.

51 : Anonymous2021/04/04 23:29 ID: gtebhjl

Kind of what I was expecting. 500 series board will still see Ryzen 6000 CPUs, while b450/x470 will have to settle for 5000. Not a huge loss given there will probably be less than a 5% difference between them.


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