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Was just reading about 11400F and how it fares in performance to 3600. It lacks in Cache(12MB) and Over-clocking feature, but the performace for the price puts a doubt even on 5600x. I have built AMD systems for lot of my people in the last 10 years, but this time I am considering the 11400F for its overwhelming value.
Since all 5000 non-x series have been OEM only till now, will 5600 be the same?
Edit1: I read the comments, it appears people haven't realised that the competition aims to block migration to AMD platform by releasing such performance value products. Mind you the competition still holds the market share and it would be un-wise for AMD to play the rich man's card for long.
Similarly, the competition has bought back 1050ti from the dead and has made a killing, to be named as the best selling graphic card in certain countries and kept their market share tight.
AMD should have full line-up from high to low end at value to keep the migration going which would allow people to move up on AMD platform. Just my thoughts.
Edit2: Further reading the comments, I see people claim that 5600x is out of stock everywhere, but they dont see that this was the situation before 11400F was launched on 30 March 2021. So will this pride in success continue, only time will tell.
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Doubt it. Intel's mindshare in DIY has eroded so badly even the highly discounted, great value CML CPUs get outsold by AMD CPUs with bad value. AMD is selling everything they make anyway, so there's no reason to offer a cheap 5600.
If you want value you buy CML, if you want top tier performance you buy Zen 3. AMD is the rich people's brand now since their products are the best and they'll be supply constrained for the foreseeable future.
ID: gtoajisID: gtpnzv2It only eroded because AMD used great cpus at a low price with more features.
Those advantages are gone now. Both are pcie 4.0, there is no more upgrade paths, and the 5600x is hard to find.
The market is very flexible and a lot has changed since July 2019. AMD's marketshare is irrelevant if people can't get the 5600x and the 11400 is half the price while offering 90% of the performance.
ID: gtr7k7s5600X is only hard to find outside of the US. Most Microcenters have many in stock on shelves right now. Doesn’t help those who are far from MC, but they’re not ultra hard to get like the 5950X
ID: gtollh8In the mid range and up they still have much better value than intel I'd say. AMD is still the people's brand imo, their product stack makes sense performance wise (other than maybe the 5800X). While intel can't even beat themselves anymore. The 11900k is pathetic, I'll give intel credit though the 11600k and 11400 do seem decent.
ID: gtpork4In the mid range and up they still have much better value than intel I'd say.
Where? Intel's 11400F is a better purchase for gaming than all Ryzen 3000 processors, and the 11700F is better than every Ryzen 3000 CPU with 8 cores or less in practically every workload.
Sure, Intel uses more power, but nobody's running Cinebench R20 all day. And cooling Rocket Lake is a complete non-issue as long as you're not overclocking.
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No they won't unless
a) They have enough chiplets that cannot hit the 5600x specs and are too fast for Zen 2 which is still in production. Otherwise we would end up with another 3300x that simply doesn't exist.
b) 5600x stops selling well and they need a direct competitor. Right now 5600x are still selling like hot cakes despite intel having the best price/performance ratio. Basically AMD won't change pricing or release a cheaper CPU unless they are forced to.
One year of no competition and we are back to where we started b4 Zen 2 released 🙁
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Even if they did, their supply issues would ensure almost nobody got it ... and retail prices would be inflated above MSRP.
If AMD could release a non X 5600 with enough supply to keep it at MSRP, it would put a final stake in Intel's 11th Gen parts.
ID: gtoc5f7I mean Intel's 11th gen is already DOA, it doesn't need much help from AMD. Temporarily Intel's 10th gen is actually much better value due to the aggressive price cuts, but that seems to be just for getting rid of old stock. Sincerely hope Alder Lake is competitive, that way AMD would actually consider releasing that 5600 non x or 5800 non x.
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Intel is the underdog now and also it has become the budget choice.
Note that 3600 / 3600x is still a good CPU, expecially if you don't plan to use it with a high-end GPU (3070 / 3080 @ 1080p).
ID: gtoz42lWhat about a 3600 paired with a 3070 for 1440p 144Hz gaming? Trying to get opinions to see if I'll need to upgrade CPU (that's if I ever get a 3070).
ID: gtp0gxw1440 is fine. 1080 would be a bottleneck. You are primarily gpu bound at 1440.
ID: gtpl54rYou will be bottlenecked for sure, thanks to the nvidia drivers issue. Even at 1440p 144
That being said considering you already have a 3600 I wouldn't bother upgrading this gen, wait till alder lake or zen 4. A 3600 to 5600x is just not worth it at current prices, hell even at msrp.
And you do have dual rank ram which is good.
ID: gtp4plfif 144 hs is the target surely it can do them at every resolution paired with good GPUs
ID: gtpo7ptThe 3600 will bottleneck the 3070. It also depends on what games you play. In some titles even at 1080p you will be gpu limited while in others, at 4K the 3600 will be the bottleneck.
ID: gtp9tnaI have 3600+3070 at 1440p/165hz monitor. Some games, especially older ones are bottlenecked and it pains me to admit ngl. Even with 3800/c16 ram with tight subtimings.
ID: gtpp1acNote that 3600 / 3600x is still a good CPU
Absolutely, but the 11400F is better unless you're PSU-constrained. With B560 now supporting memory overclocking, Intel can claw back massive market shares in the mid-range segments.
ID: gtppwpoYes. AMD needs to release 5600 non X
ID: gtpalgqEven with a 3080 @ 1080p, you can get high enough frame rates in the games you want it (240fps+ CSGO etc)
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If they release too soon, they'll run out of stock on the lower-binned chiplets and people will be annoyed.
They're not going to want to sell better-binned chiplets (that could be put into 5600X, 5900X, or one of many EPYC SKU's) just to fill a market segment, when they're able to sell basically every piece of silicon they can make right now.
While it'd be ideal for them to be able to fill every market segment with products, they can't wave a magic wand to make it happen.
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I don't understand posts like these. The inference is that only the CPU counts. Yet, the mboard/chipset has to support the CPU or you cannot use it. No one with an AMD A4 x570 or B550 or even a B450 chipset is going to worry about saving a few dollars on an Intel CPU--as the more expensive motherboard comes with it and destroys any "savings" that are assumed, even if you buy the equivalency argument (which I don't.)
Also, the resurgence of the 1080ti is a rumor at the moment--some guy with a warranty did an RMA and received a 2021-manufactured 1080ti to replace it. This may be something nVidia has to do under contract to the OEM--provide a certain supply for product warranty completion, etc. There's no confirmation that the 1080ti is "back" at all. Maybe there will be in the future--but who knows?
ID: gtpgmp6Please check "launch" price of 11400F at Anandtech and official website. Its not JUST a few dollars. Also 11400F performance is between 5600x and 3600, at a "launch" price much less than 3600. Also, I meant 1050ti and not 1080ti. Nothing from AMD exist from mid to low end espcially durning this shortage to capture the market.
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If AMD wants a product to compete against the Core i5-11400, it wouldn't be the Ryzen 5 5600.
It would be the Ryzen 5 5400, which would be much lower clocked and comes with a locked multiplier.
Now, before all the mindless fanboys go into flames, there is nothing wrong with offering more options.
Plenty of people don't overclock and would rather take $ discount for locked multiplier instead.
If you want to overclock, then the product is simply not for you.
It's that simply.
ID: gtplsjvThey have never release a locked SKU in 3 years, why would they do one now?
ID: gtppchuBecause they're the market leader.
ID: gtpl6biWill the 5600 be able to compete with the 11400 with reduced clocks though?
Nevertheless, I hope AMD does not start selling locked CPUs. 3300X, 1600AF, 1400, 1300X even the 1200 were all pretty solid budget options (most of them at least) and didn't come with locked multipliers.
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Do you want me to read the tea leaves for you?
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Lol, this is why random redditors don’t run big companies. Yeah, let’s kill the margins when we can’t even keep up with current demand, great idea.
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ID: gtobla2No desktop Zen CPU ever had a locked multiplier. Take a Ryzen 3 3100 and that thing is overclockable. The 50$ Athlon 3000G is overclockable as well.
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ID: gtop297The 2-core APUs were originally locked.
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ID: gtp4aehActually, zen3 products always out of stock , and Zen 2 is still in production .
Maybe AMD should shut down the zen2 line for more zen3 .
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It's not about "should have" or not. But, the reality is AMD in tight supply, there's a reason why the only AMD CPU that's in stock at MSRP is the 5800X and not the 5600X, 5900X, or 5950X.
5800X is the worst binned Zen 3 CPU, and it seems the yield is very good there are no defective chips for the 6 core variants. While all the good chips that are needed for 5900X and 5950X are mostly going into the more important EPYC.
It's simply not worth it for AMD to release the cheaper variant. The supply would improve as time goes for sure, but with the current situation, we don't really know when exactly is that, Q3 would be a good guess. But, that's it.
ID: gtr709d5800X is actually a great bin. Anandtech explains that - its binned for high frequency and has to be fully functional.
The bad bins go into 5600X and 5900X - becuase both of those use defective dies with only 6 cores enabled.
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Maybe, if that makes financial sense to them, but they own the high-end market which is more profitable. If they can produce more 5600X than they can sell AND if producing those won't affect production numbers of the 59x0X (they struggle with those now) then they might release cheaper Zen 3 CPUs. They could also drop the price of the 3600, 3700 and 3800 series.
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Check the ZEN marketing ,
PEOPLE BUY MORE NON-X THAN X VERSION
Because non-x almost the same as X version,
Perhaps AMD will release a non-x version, lesser clock and CANT OVERCLOCK JUST LIKE INTEL.
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No.
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Not unless TSMC suddenly calls and tells AMD that there's 50% more wafers available to them. Probably not even then.
Selling cheaper hexa-core desktop chips to cheapskates is the last thing on AMDs mind right now when EPYC Milan has just launched, Threadripper is about to launch and higher-priced Ryzen SKUs are hard to find as is.
When there's more demand than supply on their existing, higher margin product lineup, you aim to fulfill that demand first before launching new product SKUs that further increase demand.
ID: gtph0zlTime will tell.
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The 5600x is already six months old, perhaps during this month we will see a price cut on it to be a much more competitive product. I would hope that to happen.
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Not really. Silicon stock is limited
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AMD outsells intel 6 to 1
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All that you said can be for the situation before 11400F launch on March 30. Time will tell.
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Better reduce price and kill the entire Intel 11gen
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Intel's lineup sucks and they're hitting massive shortages on their i5 and i7 next quarter. AMD needs to do nothing at all.
引用元:https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/mlz2zr/will_amd_release_5600_to_diy_to_challenge_11400f/
Got it. Thanks.