[ETA PRIME] The RYZEN 7 5700G Is A BEAST! The Best APU So Far!

1 : Anonymous2021/05/07 17:22 ID: n73tu5
[ETA PRIME] The RYZEN 7 5700G Is A BEAST! The Best APU So Far!
2 : Anonymous2021/05/07 17:48 ID: gxarj4w

Why there is this trend to do always and only videos, i want just an article to read fast and check the graphs

ID: gxaxr05

Why there is this trend to do always and only videos

Because ad revenue in written media is very low and it's not worth the effort for creators, but some of the bigger channels can still earn money with Youtube.

ID: gxazt0m

This is the exact reason why when GN has an article to accompany a video, the article goes live a few days after the video.

ID: gxbc5rq

Because ad revenue in written media is very low

What about after you put a different game on every page like some of these websites do?

ID: gxb1kn8

Cause youtube pays more i guess

ID: gxazl77

I also hate video reviews and I have a 5700G so I am looking into doing a review. Maybe it can be an

exclusive? 😉 Plus I've let Ian Cutress at AnandTech know too about where he can get one for not too much though I am certain he has been tracking means for acquiring a 5700G far closer than I have.

ID: gxbapg1

Please do! I've been looking for a CPU upgrade for a while and I'm unsure how much longer my RX 580'll last.

ID: gxbi8ce

At least you're getting video of its actual performance in games I guess

ID: gxd3c5k

Brcause ETAprime is a youtuber? Thats like going to mcdonalds and wondering why you can’t get a pasta dish, that’s just not what they do there.

If you want a written article, then go to a website that has written articles.

ID: gxdvxjo

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

ID: gxaszoc

God, I can't upvote this enough.

ID: gxbl0xf

Because we were silent and, like, *shrug* when they started building all sites to look good on phones.

3 : Anonymous2021/05/07 19:53 ID: gxb7xcu

No pcie 4 support though.

ID: gxbsdi5

Well it is basically a laptop chip. Only thing in laptops that need pcie 4 is nvme, that's too expensive for most people

ID: gxbz0u3

It's also because of the high power usage.

4 : Anonymous2021/05/07 20:07 ID: gxb9obq

I wonder if there's gonna be a NON-G version of this CPU at this point

ID: gxba9c8

A Ryzen 7 5700 wouldn't be a non-G version of the 5700G but rather a lower clocked 5800X. It would make it faster than a 5700G as well since Vermeer CPUs have a two times larger L3 cache compared to a Cezanne APU.

ID: gxbfj54

Given how much people questioned why both the 3700X and 3800X existed, I wouldn't count on AMD making a 5700X.

ID: gxblhap

depends on how many defective chips they produce. Maybe only enough for one sku, then a 6 core 5500/5600 would make more sense.

5 : Anonymous2021/05/07 18:20 ID: gxavs2d

Ughhh I wanted to see it with a dedicated chip and a non stock cooler.

ID: gxb0nq3

Wrong channel. ETA Prime is primarily a SBC review channel, typically for classic emulation, and I was kind of surprised he installed better ram, but it is almost a necessary upgrade. He reviewed this as it is an 'ultimate' machine for old console emulation, and it doesn't need non-stock cooling for that.

This processor will be able to spread it's wings when it's available as a discrete component for non-prebuilt use.

ID: gxb22qc

With APUs the iGPU performance is a lot more interesting since it's the main reason to get them instead of a Ryzen CPU.

Performance with a dGPU should be below 5800X and possibly 5600X in games that don't benefit from the additional cores and threads because of the 5600X has a two times larger L3 cache.

6 : Anonymous2021/05/07 17:39 ID: gxaq6ia

Very nice...;) Enjoyed that. Not interested in the APUs, myself, but still enjoyed taking a look--"entry level" never looked so good...;)

ID: gxb3w7t

Dang so $450 is entry level for you now?

ID: gxb4erb

That's what baseline 1650 cards go for now on the cheaper side from what I've seen. Hell, 1050 Ti cards aren't that far behind....

ID: gxbuidz

dont worry, if we are continue in this trend of "entry level", in future we will see $600-$1000 as entry level. Thanks to those people.

ID: gxb2933

An “entry level” cpu that would easily sell for $450+. Its 180mm2 of 7nm monolithic die.....

ID: gxc9ppz

6700xt has a 330mm2 die size and has a msrp of $480.

These apus have quite the markup, damn

7 : Anonymous2021/05/07 21:02 ID: gxbgg67

I look forward to getting one in 2025.

ID: gxbsndb

I hope the market isn't shit by then. I want to upgrade my 480 XD

ID: gxbtg22


8 : Anonymous2021/05/07 18:53 ID: gxb01xm

Double the amount of GPU power and most of the low end dGPU market is gone for AMD/Nvidia, as for most games the performance is perfect acceptable at 1080p.

This is imho one of the reasons why AMD has little interest in pushing more iGPU performance by withholding RDNA1/RDNA2 etc on APU's.

You see the same with Nvidia and the MX450 getting artificially limited to 2GB memory. Or their 3050's getting only 4GB memory. Ensure that customer go to high spec options is a typical strategy.

When DDR5 APU / RDNA2 come out, be sure AMD will fine tune ( limit the amount of cores ) on those APUs to ensure that their performance is only 20 a 30% faster then todays APU's.

ID: gxb1z4n

If you double this gpu perf you get 1050ti~ perf.

Low end gpus nowadays are the 570/580/5500xt/1650 super, pretty much double of the 1050ti perf, so not quite gone yet.

ID: gxbbzwz

A 1050TI is really all you need for a lot of games if we are talking 1080p 60FPS and not some First Person Shooter or graphically ultra heavy game.

When i look at my back catalog of games that i still need to play, most will run perfectly fine on 1080p/60fps. I have a 1070 here and look at the utilization, for so many games its literally underused ( 30 to 60% utilization, depending on the game ).

Games these days look so good on even old hardware, that there really is less of a push in my personal opinion for those high end graphic cards unless you really are a 4K/144Hz or want the latest of the latest game with Ultra graphics.

Just looking at mobile games and people are happy with the graphics. Or so many Indy games... The high end gaming market that goes xx70/xx80xx90 series, tends to be a market that goes like a pyramid where less and less people buy those higher end GPU's simple because they do not need that extra power.

There will be plenty of market for higher end dGPU's but from my personal point of view, iGPU's only need that little push to become a alternative for like 98% of my gaming catalog.

You can see the trend of that PC's are moving towards becoming more consoles like with everything integrated on the CPU. So why not iGPU on the level of lower level dGPU's?

ID: gxbgk07

Nah these iGPUs are still very weak. dGPUs take up more silicon that could be for charging $300 instead.

9 : Anonymous2021/05/07 20:01 ID: gxb8tls

Very nice. This APU would be great running in a Linux workstation. Unfortunately for me, I already have a 3900X.

10 : Anonymous2021/05/07 21:31 ID: gxbk85z

I just did a build on Wednesday with a 3200G lmao

11 : Anonymous2021/05/07 23:22 ID: gxbxhsy

Red Dead Redemption 2, Control and Horizon Zero Dawn, that is what I personally care about.

12 : Anonymous2021/05/08 00:01 ID: gxc1xol

I thought that the 5700G was a Zen 2 part?

ID: gxc6nma

Thats 4000 series

14 : Anonymous2021/05/08 03:27 ID: gxcnsym

As always... AMD delivers with amazing APU performance.

Again though, and I always say this... imagine how much better this thing would be with a 6C/12T CPU and a beefier iGPU.

A chip like that would fly off the shelves. Especially now.

I understand most people buying pre-builts would probably want the beefier CPU, but in the DIY space, I feel like there's a pretty big market for people looking for an iGPU solution that would allow them to play modern AAAs at 1080p at low-medium settings, and unfortunately it looks like this iGPU is just slightly too weak to do that consistently. If they could deliver something with 1050 Ti-level performance and 6C/12T, I think there would be a really huge market for that.

Ah, well. Still a really cool product, in any event.

15 : Anonymous2021/05/07 23:37 ID: gxbz96w

Anyone know if this or the 5600G will have hardware AV1 decoding? It'll be a future proof media center chip if so.

16 : Anonymous2021/05/07 21:50 ID: gxbml35

Why is the top upvoted comment complaining about getting benchmarks, it genuinely baffles me how a subreddit can be this petty. Touch some grass folks.

17 : Anonymous2021/05/07 23:58 ID: gxc1kdh

5700G first it’s a look beast!

18 : Anonymous2021/05/08 00:14 ID: gxc3emm

Nothing worse than a look beast!

19 : Anonymous2021/05/07 21:26 ID: gxbjlxy

Literally just picked one of these ups cuz of eta, thabks for the heads up on a 5700g

20 : Anonymous2021/05/07 21:27 ID: gxbjo9j

Which dGPU can it be compared to in terms of performance?

21 : Anonymous2021/05/07 21:58 ID: gxbnjp3

Around GT 1030+. 4650G vs 1030 is equal or slight advantage for 1030.

22 : Anonymous2021/05/07 22:01 ID: gxbnz86

So again no significant gpu performance uplift :/

We have been stuck in the 1030 range for soo sooo long I can't believe it. Really looking forward to what integrated RDNA with ddr5 can pull off.

23 : Anonymous2021/05/07 22:18 ID: gxbq1ai

Anyone know the price point/msrp??

24 : Anonymous2021/05/08 06:53 ID: gxd4c96

I saw 650 USD on eBay. For $100 more, you practically get the entire machine it was pulled out of.

25 : Anonymous2021/05/08 09:53 ID: gxdfdnx

That's absolutely wild man

26 : Anonymous2021/05/07 22:30 ID: gxbrg4n

Haven't really invested in a APU before. How does PCI-E lanes work with APU's? Can I use the 5700g APU for server duties?

My plan is going is purchasing a SAS controller and attaching bunch of drives. Since the APU will be for Plex, don't really need a dedicated gpu.

27 : Anonymous2021/05/08 00:38 ID: gxc5yd4

Good luck being able to buy it!

28 : Anonymous2021/05/08 00:48 ID: gxc72j2

I cant wait to put one in my b550 unify x

29 : Anonymous2021/05/08 01:30 ID: gxcbitk

Does this support pcie 4?

30 : Anonymous2021/05/08 02:03 ID: gxcez0s


31 : Anonymous2021/05/08 02:47 ID: gxcjrsd


32 : Anonymous2021/05/08 02:46 ID: gxcjlvy

iGPU performance improvement should be much more impressive. And they are making these for OEMs only... Yet another wasted opportunity by AMD to seize the gaming market in the middle of the crypto-driven GPU scarcity.

33 : Anonymous2021/05/08 03:52 ID: gxcq5bz

monero miner will come for you

34 : Anonymous2021/05/08 04:18 ID: gxcsi0t

This shows up the day I get my 5600x. I will now be internally crying

35 : Anonymous2021/05/08 04:36 ID: gxcu4r6

I don't have experience with APU but is it true to say that the heat dissipation will be more when you are going to use the iGPU and vice versa?

36 : Anonymous2021/05/08 05:19 ID: gxcxloo

ETA Prime is awesome

37 : Anonymous2021/05/08 07:36 ID: gxd71gu

Which mobo is suitable for 5700g? B550/x570? Will they work out of box?

38 : Anonymous2021/05/08 07:37 ID: gxd74wp

I can see this in my HTPC build a decade later.

39 : Anonymous2021/05/08 07:38 ID: gxd76i7

Im not interested in an apu until they have onboard vram cache. 2-4gb is all it needs but their held back so much with ddr

40 : Anonymous2021/05/08 08:29 ID: gxdabkz

I wonder if an expert here knows...?

Re 3x native (non chipset) nvme on an apu?

There are midrange x570 ATX mobos w/ 2x pcie "gpu" slots of 8 lanes.

Many such mobos allow the secondary slot to be bifurcated from 1x 8 lane configuration, to 2x 4 lane, thus allowing common multi port nvme adapter cards to run 2x nvme on that 8 lane slot

As we know tho, apuS only provide 8x lanes for the "gpu" slots, so how would the above pan out using an APU, with such an adapter in the secondary "gpu" slot (the primary "gpu" slot cant be bifurcated afaict from the mobos i have seen - only the second x8 slot)

Can 3x nvme be run in this way on an apu?

41 : Anonymous2021/05/08 08:37 ID: gxdascr

How does it compare to m1? And i mean like efficiency, battery etc.

42 : Anonymous2021/05/08 09:05 ID: gxdchqr

Clearly APUs are not really our cup of tea here, so we tend to over look a killer consideration for the majority? of the market - cost of ownership for corporate buyers managing large networks of work stations.

If they are doing their TCO sums right IMO, the biggest cost factor would be in wasted time, & I suspect the most time wasting and problematic single thing u could introduce to the mix is a variety of DGPUs.

Sadly, this has not been avoidable for most, given the grim IGPs that have been the norm from market dominating Intel.

AMD APUs could now be at a watershed, where corporate buyers CAN have decent GPU, along with the simplicity of IGP... running on AMD's freshly perceived CPUs.

A telling pointer to the emphasis AMD place on pursuing this product, is the huge tax they placed on their AM4 mobos, by insisting all come with graphics outputs. For most, this is wasted cost.

43 : Anonymous2021/05/08 12:37 ID: gxdr3hu

If it's gonna cost the same as 11600k then it's a decision either if you want a better performance now with Ryzen igpu or a better performance later with 11600k once you purchase a normal gpu.

44 : Anonymous2021/05/08 17:24 ID: gxenhmm

Can it run Crysis?

45 : Anonymous2021/05/08 17:51 ID: gxeqsjp


46 : Anonymous2021/05/07 21:12 ID: gxbhu9n

If it’s still on vega, consumers should stop caring. AMD is milking everyone by not using RDNA.

47 : Anonymous2021/05/08 09:46 ID: gxdex01

There would be very little to gain from shifting to RDNA right now, we're too heavily bottlenecked by DDR4 speeds. Yes, infinity cache could mitigate that somewhat, but at the cost of a massively increased die size, meaning more expensive APUs. All for what? Maybe 10-20% more performance?

It would cost hundreds of millions to make an RDNA-based APU, and there would be little gain. Wait for DDR5 and the big increase in bandwidth it'll bring.

48 : Anonymous2021/05/07 20:58 ID: gxbfv8f

wonder what the hashrate on the video side is..

49 : Anonymous2021/05/07 23:44 ID: gxc00ef

But, but... Can it mine???

50 : Anonymous2021/05/08 08:20 ID: gxd9raa

So is Bigfoot! And I will probably be able to find him first!!!

51 : Anonymous2021/05/08 21:45 ID: gxfiohw

That's all well and good if your build has space for a graphics card. For builds in cases like the ASRock DeskMini X300 the 5700G offers the best GPU performance currently available.

APUs aren't competition for midrange cards, they are competition for the low end cards (for example the x30 Nvidia graphics cards).


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