Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart Now Supports 40 FPS In 120 Hz Mode

1 : Anonymous2021/06/30 12:36 ID: oawffg
Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart Now Supports 40 FPS In 120 Hz Mode
2 : Anonymous2021/06/30 12:49 ID: h3jz6z7

What does this even mean?

Im confused

ID: h3k1in8

So before

Fidelity Mode - 30fps

After update

Enable new 120 hz display mode in settings

And then Fidelity Mode - 40fps

Perfect frame times so it’s much smoother without needing to be 60fps

Gameplay - its so much smoother and better now

ID: h3k69hf

Ya it basically sounds like bottom line you should be getting a slightly higher framerate and slightly lower input lag, with less chance of any “screen tearing” for an overall smoother experience.

ID: h3k1nw3

Image Explains Better

ID: h3k69jb

What does this even mean?

No one knows what it means, but it's provocative

ID: h3kasd3

It gets the people going!

ID: h3k182x

It runs at a target framerate of 40 which is a multiple of 120hz (the refresh rate), this is done so if the framerate isn't consistent they can show a frame for more/less refreshes instead of screen tearing or losing a whole frame in cases where vsync is on and the framerate = the refresh rate. Basically they're brute forcing the variable refresh rate feature of Xbox series X/S since Sony is taking too long to do it in the firmware

3 : Anonymous2021/06/30 15:11 ID: h3kh0kz

Holy shit Fidelity feels completely different. Try it if you have a 120 Hz-compatible TV.

Remember to go to your PS5's video settings and set "Enable 120 Hz Output" to "Automatic."

Then go in Rift Apart, there is a new 120 Hz compatibility setting under "Visuals."

Does anyone else feel like Performance RT feels better too or just me? For sure Fidelity no longer looks like a slideshow and feels slightly unresponsive...

ID: h3lpgh0

It's probably largely placebo, but the 60fps modes will have reduced input lag now (8ms). So not smoother, but yeah slightly more responsive!

ID: h3lv31b

Wow. Thank you for this reminder. I have not had 120 Hz enabled.

ID: h3lzyao

No probs! Did the same thing initially til I remembered about it lol.

4 : Anonymous2021/06/30 13:49 ID: h3k64fw

Miles needs this update

ID: h3klajm

It might’ve got this update, had a 3 gb update today

ID: h3km895

Did you have another yesterday as well?

ID: h3lnnsw

So I just checked the Miles update, did not see a 120 Hz setting anywhere so my guess is that it was a stability update of some kind.

5 : Anonymous2021/06/30 16:11 ID: h3kpirs

Playing on an LG CX and to be able to see all of the particle effects and density without compromise and at a noticably smoother framerate is great. This was always the main drawback with performance modes for me. It's damn beautiful now and hopefully they can do the same with miles morales.

6 : Anonymous2021/06/30 16:14 ID: h3kpxg3

Great idea with using 40-45 fps as an in between of 30 and 60. This is could be a good alternative way moving forward.

ID: h3ktdeq

Great idea indeed.

45 will not work nicely until VRR is enabled, but in future, yes it could be anything between 30 - 60.

ID: h3mbqan

No, that’s not why this works so well. The only reason this works AND feels smoother is because of the 120hz output. 40 divides evenly into 120 so you get a smooth output that makes gameplay feel nicer. If you did this without enabling the 120hz refresh rate it would feel noticeably worse than a stable 30.

Giving the option doesn’t hurt, but if a game has to choose between 30 FPS and 40 at 60hz output it should ALWAYS be 30 to provide the smoothest experience.

This all changes when they enable VRR for supported displays on the PS5.

7 : Anonymous2021/06/30 18:28 ID: h3l8kgr

That's awesome. Digital foundry was talking about this in one of their recent videos.

Man, insomniac is really just pushing the bar higher and higher

8 : Anonymous2021/06/30 13:58 ID: h3k77fx

I just tested this out on my 120 HZ TV. Fidelity mode at 40fps is noticablely smoother than it was at 30. The "slide show" effect is basically gone.

This is the best way to play now in my opinion for those who can, considering you get all the visual benefits of the fidelity mode and close to the smoothness of the performance modes.

ID: h3kbfb5

oh man, i just started using RT 60..but i'll have to check this out. the only question i have is that PS5 outputs 60 in 4:4:4 but can only do 120 at 4:2:2...wonder if that makes any noticable difference (unlikely?). Im sure DF will make a video fast, Jon has been begging for a 40fps mode in games.

ID: h3kgztl

4:4:4 and 4:2:2 differences are basically only noticeable when viewing very small text elements which most games and video content don't have. You'd notice it when, say, browsing reddit.

ID: h3k9aej

Damn it! I just finished it over the weekend. Maybe I’ll replay in this mode.

ID: h3ksjlv

Right? It really pays to wait on playing games these days I gotta say.

ID: h3kc8gk

I wonder if they enable VRR, if 60hz VRR displays might get 40fps fidelity modes too? Eh, probably not...

ID: h3kecbv

Constant 40 is still a bit too low for VRR. You'd need more like 45-50 for smoother experience.

But maybe it would still be better than locked 30.

ID: h3kfjyy

That is very likely once PS5 has VRR support. However if your display has VRR support, it most likely already has a 120Hz mode and can use the 40fps option in the game right now. 60Hz displays without VRR will always be locked to 30fps I would imagine.

9 : Anonymous2021/06/30 20:25 ID: h3loq5s

I just tried it. ABSOLUTELY GAME CHANGING! This looks and plays incredibly on my LGC9. Insomniac is now leading the industry with temperol injection and now this 40fps through 120hz. I would love to see a game run at 1440p temperol injection at 40fps. The visuals would be absolutely insane because you would be saving on resolution and frame rate but still getting the best of both worlds.

ID: h3mdsdj

It looks and feels like the perfect compromise doesn’t it? Just fast enough to give you that “grounded in the world” feeling that you only usually get from 60fps or higher, with all the VFX enabled.

10 : Anonymous2021/06/30 16:31 ID: h3kscgz

I know it may be not really important for game like this, but this also lowers input latency, just to let ya know

11 : Anonymous2021/06/30 14:22 ID: h3kac0u

Can someone please explain what this means?

I thought 120hz=120 fps. How is 120hz=40fps?

ID: h3kbn9r

One new frame gets shown every 3 screen refreshes.

120 fps on 120hz would look like this: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12...

Each refresh receives a new frame.

40 fps on 120hz would look like this: 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4....

ID: h3kbxkz

its 40fps but with two extra duplicate frames (three identical frames in a row)...so 40x3 =120. this is how 30fps works on 60hz displays, its doubling the frame each time since tvs cannot run at 30hz.

40 is interesting cause its not common, but with 120hz you can get 10 more fps without causing stuttering (which happens if the frames cannot be evenly divided by the hz). Digital Foundry has been asking for this as an option for a while.

ID: h3kr51f

120hz refers to the TV's display. Fps refers to the actual framrate of the game. If you have a 120hz display, it doesn't mean that the games are running at 120fps. In this case, having a 120hz TV display with a game running at 40fps will lead to a bit smoother experience with less input lag.

12 : Anonymous2021/06/30 14:25 ID: h3kap9s

Will this work on a LG CX?

ID: h3kbf82

Just tested and yes it works on CX 65.

13 : Anonymous2021/06/30 13:26 ID: h3k3avb

I hope more games will support 40 fps. 40 fps is just above the threshold to feeling "smooth" to me.

14 : Anonymous2021/06/30 13:38 ID: h3k4twx

Happy to see a developer finally try this out, a few years ago I played Forza Horizon 3 on my PC at 1080p40fps as I couldn't get it to run at 60fps on my machine and my TV supported 1080p120. The uplift from 30fps was very noticeable and I enjoyed the game much more at 40fps.

Now obviously VRR is sort of the holy grail for this though unless devs have an artistic vision where framerates don't fluctuate (I could see a dev choosing to cap the frame rate in VRR mode to prevent crazy swings in frame rate like when looking at a wall and mostly rely on VRR to make frame drops not as big of a deal). I'm not sure how popular a fixed 40fps will actually be especially because any TV that supports 4K120 will very likely support VRR and for older sets like mine that can do 1080p120 you're probably just going to go for 1080p60 as you're likely leaving performance on the table at 1080p40.

The other plus side of targeting 40fps is the gap between "fidelity" and "performance" modes is only 50% instead of 100%, which I imagine makes it easier on the devs to scale between the modes (though of course going for 40 instead of 30 means they need to scale back a bit in places, but that should pay dividends in creating a 60fps mode)

15 : Anonymous2021/07/01 03:08 ID: h3n20o0

I’ll wait for Digital Foundry to explain this in ways I do not understand.

16 : Anonymous2021/06/30 18:03 ID: h3l54sz

I'll give it a shot. Honestly, the game just looks too good already. It's really hard to already keep track of every little effect and pixel even with performance RT. But it will be fun just to see what differences I can spot.

17 : Anonymous2021/06/30 19:01 ID: h3ld3id

VRR and 1440p pls Sony

18 : Anonymous2021/06/30 20:41 ID: h3lqz88

Gonna try this tonight. Ps5 on an lg Oled is heaven

19 : Anonymous2021/07/01 02:34 ID: h3my57r

So basically through manipulating these two settings you can get fidelity in 30fps, 40fps, or performance w/ 60fps?

Lol we're just beating around the bush here, they might as well just throw in full settings à la PC games.

20 : Anonymous2021/06/30 14:38 ID: h3kcj0q

Great. Now I gotta buy a new TV.

I mostly kid. 60fps RT mode looks great in this game. This new option sounds excellent though.

21 : Anonymous2021/06/30 14:48 ID: h3kdso1

Tried it out, and it feels amazing! Probably going to switch from performance RT to 40fps fidelity

22 : Anonymous2021/06/30 17:33 ID: h3l0u5p

Very happy to see this. Converse so my initial belief, I much prefer Fidelity over Performance in this game, but I had wished for higher frame rate.

I owe a 120hz TV so this gold for me! 33(.333333)% increase to frame rate <3

23 : Anonymous2021/06/30 13:42 ID: h3k59ei

Wait so fidelity mode now runs at 40fps?

ID: h3ketq1

IF you have a 120 Hz capable tv

ID: h3k62ss

That’s what it sounds like.


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