- What's the relevant future technology or big-thing from the next CPU/socket/MB-chip generation will I miss if I decide to buy the current Ryzen generation and I decide to keep it for 5-10 years?
AVX-512 would be another thing, but Intel has been promising that AVX512 would become relevant since 2016 and it never really went anywhere so far. Currently there is no real world workload outside of some very specific HPC tasks that really benefits from it.ID: h4e2vb3
Doesn't Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 series support this instruction set already?
Edit:also Linus isn't very happy about it, so I'll follow the lead and I wouldn't care about this instruction set. But don't mistake me, I wanna thank you for suggesting it and answering my question. I hope soon for more answers!ID: h4eliy8
No it doesn't.ID: h4eijwz
Current rumors are that Zen 4 will support a subset of AVX-512. Whether or not that will be enabled for consumer chips is another question, but AMD is much less likely to segment that way than Intel, and Intel has already enabled it on newer laptop parts (the parts least likely to need it), so it's likely AMD will have AVX-512 on all Zen 4 parts, save perhaps some very low-end parts created from binned dies where the AVX-512 portions are actually broken.
CPU design as a whole is going to drastically change in the next 2-3 years at the most, forget 5-10 years.
But at the end of the day you really shouldn't buy anything hoping that you won't be missing out on much for the next 10 years. Upgrade again when the stuff just doesn't cut it any more, not once something shinier comes out.
You will have buyer's remorse regardless. Get what you want.
Big.LITTLE on x86 probably
Wait for AMDs new socket and new CPU with DDR5 and PCIe 4.xID: h4e44ox
I'm actually confused. The next socket and DDR5 support doesn't seem to be included for the release of series 6000 (Zen 3+). Some sites claim Series 7000 (Zen 4). Is this correct?ID: h4eairh
Nobody knows. It's all based on rumorsID: h4ecb6w
Looks like there may be one last refresh on AM4 using the 3D cache showed off but with everything else being the same.
AM4 is dead though, it’s effectively EOL. If you wait until next year you will be able to get AM5 with DDR5 and the next generation CPU along with upgrades for years to come.
I’m unsure if the 3D cache release will be marketed as 6000 series, however if it does come to AM4 it will be the last before it’s killed off.
ddr5 and not much moreID: h4e6kpa
I'm actually confused. The next socket and DDR5 support doesn't seem to be included for the release of series 6000 (Zen 3+). Some sites claim Series 7000 (Zen 4). Is this correct?ID: h4edkuk
Should clarify on here. Leaked roadmap states Zen3+ will be on AM4 before the socket goes EOL. It uses 6nm which is essentially the same 7nm process with some minor improvements. Along with most likely the 3D Cache for improved performance. Launching late this year probably.
Next year sees AM5 launch with an LGA package like intel along with DDR5 and Zen4 on an actually new 5nm process. It may or may not release with APU’s first in early 2022 using RDNA graphics followed by the mainstream parts later that year.
The main point being, waiting gets you upgrades and updates on the same system going forward, AM4 gets abandoned.ID: h4enqf1
yeah, if you can wait a bit over a year (end 22 or beginning of 23) you'll get ddr5 and what I think is more important, a start-of-life socket so you can update the cpu when it's end of life. That said, maybe they go AM6 in a couple of years and the upgrade isn't worth it and you're better off upgrading now.
From a practical standpoint you likely won't miss anything important. Even DDR5 isn't going to be a night and day difference. The first DDR5 modules are going to be expensive and slow compared to what comes out later.
There's always something shiny and new coming out just around the corner. There always has been, and there always will be.
If your current system can't do what you need it for anymore, buy the best system within a pre-set budget that you can.
If your current system can still do what you need it for, you don't need to buy a new system.
If you're expecting your systems to last you 5 - 10 years, you're almost 100% guaranteed to not have any sort of cutting-edge hardware requirement, nor expecting to have.
Only buy what you need, when you need it.
DDR5 is about the only thing one could guess right now.
AM5 with DDR5 will probably be out next year. The rest of the rumored specs for AM5 provide nothing major worth waiting for. Still PCIe 4.0, which is not a bad thing (basically nothing would benefit outside of server-class hardware). Still a small number of PCIe lanes, though slightly larger than AM4.
Pure speculation presents the possibility of 24-core CPU's on the consumer platform, if not with Zen 4, then perhaps with Zen 5 (it would require an I/O die shrink).
Getting a 5950X on X570 (or X570S) today would probably provide the best chance at 10 years of useful longevity that has ever existed for consumer-grade computers.
Though if you don't want to be I/O starved (i.e. you want more than just a graphics card), you'd need to step up to the Threadripper platform, and there it's probably worth waiting to see what the next generation offers (such as a lower buy-in price with a 16-core processor).
Upcoming Zen designs will incorporate Neural Engines via Xilinx IP and much more.
DDR5 if I were to guess. Possibly PCIe 5.0 but no one knows if AMD is going to go with that or stick to PCIe 4.0 on their AM5 platform whenever that comes out. Its all rumors and speculation in regards to that.
At this point I'm just waiting for AM5 and RDNA3 and my 2700X and Vega 56 are still quite capable for the time being with no desire to upgrade.
depends on your use case. if your just gaming nothing. current b550 already supports pcie4.0. DDR5 gen 1 is gonna be expensive and not gonna be worth over ddr4 unless you need DDR5 for something specific.
Not missing anything really.
One should upgrade around every 4 years or so.