- Rugrats, and basically all of Nickelodeon's pre HD shows, seem to have never been mastered to film negatives, resulting in subpar quality on hd tvs. Compare to Chip and Dale and New Adventures of Winnie The Pooh on Disney +, or Dexter's Lab and Ed, Edd and Eddy on HBO Max.
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I don't even understand what's supposed to be wrong. Those screencaps look perfectly fine to me.
ID: gq54g5kID: gq60906If you don't care about SD quality then they are fine. But some of us can't enjoy film/TV content unless it's 1080p or better quality. Watching old shows or cartoons or movies I used to like is just hard now because of how grainy and ugly they look.
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Maybe a still from the actual show to illustrate your point instead of the thumbnails?
ID: gq644isIt says right in the title "Couldn't screencap the episodes themselves."
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1) for me, I kinda like the grainy look, as it reminds me of how I used to watch it
2) for some reason the fact the rugrats was still on when SpongeBob premiered, and then for another couple years, is really fucking with my head
ID: gq5a7qiDon’t forget All Grown Up came out while both those shows came on. Rugrats ran till 2005, and All Grown up ran till 2008 (I think). Spongebob ended up becoming the bigger show.
ID: gq6ctw1I can't speak for Rugrats but I REALLY like how Spongebob's first season looks nowadays. It has a more robust feel to it than when they brightened everything up in season 2.
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This is a damn shame but I'm willing to bet that if we can't get a good Simpsons remaster (talking about dirt cleanup and new telecine, not a hacky crop job like FXX) we can't get them to remaster much more niche things like Rocko or Angry Beavers
ID: gq5x5jpthe 4:3 versions of simpsons on disney+ look pretty good imo
ID: gq6hksaThey don’t even have the entire Rocko’s Modern Life series. Just seasons 1 or 2. I’d like them to get the whole thing, in any quality before they even think of remastering.
Ditto for Beavis and Butthead.
ID: gq5hv1owe can't get them to remaster much more niche things like
They may see the ai remastered treatment as its getting cheaper to do each year
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I am still waiting on Pete and Pete series 3 to be released on DVD. They did commentaries and featurettes for the release but they are sitting sealed in a warehouse somewhere collecting dust rather than being shipped for distribution.
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You’re comparing what was a fledging upstart animation studio vs an industry goliath. I can imagine Nickelodeon might not have had the best archival systems in place that would lend themselves to easy remasters.
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SpongeBob Season 1 is in HD on iTunes and looks really good. I assume Paramount+ uses the same masters as that. The digitally animated episodes can’t be remastered in HD, but they still look fine for the most part. There were a few episodes that stood out as having messed up colors, like I’m With Stupid, but that has been fixed in some releases. Not sure what Paramount’s version of that one looks like.
ID: gq65tlkWow. You’re right. The characters themselves still seem a little loose and blurry by design, but the backgrounds in the HD season one look pristine.
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Yeah. I have no idea why “The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh” looks so damn good on Disney+. I went through every classic show the day the service launched, and it was, by a large margin, the best looking non-digital animated show on the service.
“Chip and Dale: Rescue Rangers” and “Timon and Pumbaa” look good, but they trim the edges off the sides, and aren’t in their original 4:3 aspect ratio. Winnie the Pooh seems to be direct scans of film negatives, that evidentially weren’t available for other shows. It doesn’t have DNR issues either, which absolutely plague some other shows.
I actually love that Pooh show, and I think it’s amazing, and deserving of that honor. I just don’t understand why it’s the only one, and I wonder why Disney seems to care about it that much, despite it not being as popular as some other shows anymore.
Edit: I took a quick look and “101 Dalmatians: The Series” also seems to be in a similar condition to TNAOWTP...for some reason. The Little Mermaid series is also in HD, but sadly cropped.
ID: gq66ojyDisney aired that show on Disney Channel from the Early 90s to well into the Late 2000s. It's big with the little tikes AND nostalgic adults. I asume that was basically the line of thinking when remastering all those show, plus Little Mermaid and Goof Troop, since those were the shows I remember watching the most in 1997 (in the morning hours that later became part of Playhouse Disney) as a three year old. Meanwhile, Aladdin, Gargoyles, Hercules, and Darwing Duck were often relegated to Toon Disney, which I didn't have. I guess those shows and Ducktales also skew more into the 7-10 year old boys' demographic.
Why Pooh was left with letterboxes, well I guess thats something babies and adults have in common. Babies dont care since Pooh is one of the first shows they will see, and nostalgic adults and Disney nerds really don't like the zoomed in 16:9. Not saying Pooh is just for babies, but Disney unfortunately has long seen Pooh as their most nursery oriented of franchises'.
There is a video of the Chip and Dale theme song that shows the remaster in 4:3, and it is so much better, though along with Little Mermaid it is the show that was most remastered, making it look quite different.
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I guess they never expected to be shown in an HD format that would require remastering. They had a similar issue with Star Trek: The Next Generation, which was mastered in standard definition including all its special effects. Fortunately all the principal footage was shot on film, so making a Blu-ray release (and of course subsequently a version for HD broadcast and streaming) became a matter of re-post producing the episodes, scanning the camera negatives in HD and recreating all the effects shots (including the space and spaceship scenes) in HD. It was a time-consuming and costly proposition, so so far it has only been done to TNG and not DS9 and Voyager, which were produced the same way (shot on film, but mastered with VFX in standard def). A few minutes of DS9 did get the HD treatment for the 2019 documentary “What They Left Behind.”
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Considering most restorations of cartoons tend to just DVNR them to death I can't say I'm that upset.
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Some shows just aren't able to get a good remaster. You kinda have to live with that.
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Why are adults so obsessed with children shows that they watched 20 years ago
ID: gq5d13dWhy are adults so obsessed with Controling what others watch >
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They've all got a grainy quality. I mean it looks like it's perfectly watchable, it's just a shame it's not as crisp and clean as you'd expect.